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Maths Methods 1/2 Help!
« on: April 10, 2012, 06:42:02 pm »
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Hi everyone,
I am currently doing Maths Methods 1/2 and am having some trouble with a couple of questions.  Can anyone help please?
the first one is :

A cubic function has rule P(x) = ax3 + bx2.  Its graph passes through points (1,1) and (-3,-63).  Show that a=2 and b= -1.

I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong but I just can't get it.
If you could help that would be great.
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Re: Maths Methods 1/2 Help!
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2012, 06:49:22 pm »
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Substitute (1,1) into the formula
You get 1=a+b
Let this be equation 1

Substitute (-3, -63) into the formula
You get -63=-27a+9b
Let this be equation 2

Re-arrange equation 1 as a=1-b

Now substitute equation 1 into equation 2, and solve! :)

-63=-27+27b + 9b (substituted equation 1 into equation 2)
-36=36b
b=-1

a=1-b  (equation 1, rearranged)
a=2




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Re: Maths Methods 1/2 Help!
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2012, 07:34:28 pm »
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Thank you so much!

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Re: Maths Methods 1/2 Help!
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2012, 07:53:02 pm »
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What about this question?

Consider the cubic function y = (x+2)(x2 + 3x + 7)
Show that 0 = (x+2)(x2 + 3x + 7) has only one real solution.

I know I have to use the discriminant but how?

Thanks for your help

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Re: Maths Methods 1/2 Help!
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2012, 08:26:47 pm »
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What about this question?

Consider the cubic function y = (x+2)(x2 + 3x + 7)
Show that 0 = (x+2)(x2 + 3x + 7) has only one real solution.

I know I have to use the discriminant but how?

Thanks for your help

=> (x2 + 3x + 7)
Find the discriminant of that. It should be negative. Therefore, there are no solutions for x2 + 3x + 7 = 0, and thus the only solution for the cubic function is x = -2.

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Re: Maths Methods 1/2 Help!
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2012, 08:28:12 pm »
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x+2=0 or x^2+3x+7=0, use the discriminant with the 2nd eqn. So Discriminant=b^2-4ac = 9 - 4*1*7=9-28 which is less than 0. Therefore there is only one real solution which is x=-2

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Re: Maths Methods 1/2 Help!
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2012, 08:58:20 pm »
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Thanks very much!

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Re: Maths Methods 1/2 Help!
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2012, 07:09:46 am »
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What about this one?

If y = (x+2)(x2+3kx+7), where k is a constant, find the values of k such that 0 = (x+2)(x2+3kx+7), has
2 real solutions;
3 real solutions

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Re: Maths Methods 1/2 Help!
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2012, 09:04:36 am »
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The (x+2) will always give one solution
Hence, we need to find when the discriminant of the other part of the equation, the one with the k, that will give us 1 and 2 solutions

The discriminant is (3k)^2 -28
To get one solution, let it equal zero
k=sqrt(28)/3

To get two solutions, let discriminant > 0
k>sqrt(28)/3 and k<-sqrt(28)/3

I'm never too sure with my answers :( tell me if that's the answer

« Last Edit: April 11, 2012, 08:06:05 pm by DisaFear »



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Re: Maths Methods 1/2 Help!
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2012, 07:22:45 pm »
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Thanks very much.
I got that k > sqrt(28)/3, but why would it also be < sqrt(28)/3 ?
Thanks again for all your help

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Re: Maths Methods 1/2 Help!
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2012, 08:08:11 pm »
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Thanks very much.
I got that k > sqrt(28)/3, but why would it also be < sqrt(28)/3 ?
Thanks again for all your help

Yea, sorry, its k<-sqrt(28)/3, which is obtained by square rooting the right side (Thanks to ~My♥Little♥Pony~)



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Re: Maths Methods 1/2 Help!
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2012, 07:21:50 am »
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Oh, I understand, because the solution can be less than zero if the discriminant >0?

What about translation?  If I wanted to move the graph of y = 0.1x3 - 1.2x2 + 4.1x + 0.8 by .5 down the y axis the answer would be 0.1x3 - 1.2x2 + 4.1x + 0.3.  Is that right?

And my final question, if I have a few points on a graph (0, 0.3) (2,4) (5, 2.8) and (7,4) how do I find the equation?

Thank you so much for all your help

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Re: Maths Methods 1/2 Help!
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2012, 09:04:08 am »
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What about translation?  If I wanted to move the graph of y = 0.1x3 - 1.2x2 + 4.1x + 0.8 by .5 down the y axis the answer would be 0.1x3 - 1.2x2 + 4.1x + 0.3.  Is that right?

Yep! The y-intercept depends on that value without the x

And my final question, if I have a few points on a graph (0, 0.3) (2,4) (5, 2.8) and (7,4) how do I find the equation?

I assume that's a cubic graph?
Substitute each pair of values into the general cubic formula
You'll end up with 4 equations, each one has one pair subbed in, and has a,b,c,d
Then do a massive simultaneous solution to find the a,b,c,d (the coefficients of x and the y intercept)
I think :P
« Last Edit: April 12, 2012, 09:08:23 am by DisaFear »



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Re: Maths Methods 1/2 Help!
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2012, 11:37:44 am »
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And my final question, if I have a few points on a graph (0, 0.3) (2,4) (5, 2.8) and (7,4) how do I find the equation?



When doing simultaneous equation, you have 3 ways of finding the equation with 3 given points..

Firstly, BY HAND (but I think this is unlikely to be given as a question in a tech free test)

given 3 points, you assume that its a cubic equation hence taking the form of:


substitute the 3 points into the equation therefore generating 4 equations to be used in simultaneous equation.

Secondly, BY CAS  (1) - Main 2D Keyboard
then plot in the 4 equations into the CAS to generate the answer a, b, c, d.


Lastly, BY CAS (2) EASIEST POSSIBLE WAY -  Menu Stats (Plot in the points) Calc Cubic Reg OK

     




A cubic function has rule P(x) = ax3 + bx2.  Its graph passes through points (1,1) and (-3,-63).  Show that a=2 and b= -1.


substitute (1,1) 1st equation
substitute (-3, -63) 2nd equation


1st equation



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hence sub in 2 in the 1st equation to get b

1 = 2 + b




hope this helps~

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Re: Maths Methods 1/2 Help!
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2012, 05:24:44 pm »
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Thank you everyone for helping me. 
I really appreciate it.
 :)