A little clarity about SACs please?

[paulsterio]

I agree with what Rohit's said, if you have an issue with cheating, you should be bringing it up with your co-ordinator or teacher or whoever is responsible, it doesn't really help when you come on here and have a whine about something that we really can't even help you with.

The truth is, let those who decide to cheat cheat, they will some day pay the price for their actions, if you do bad things, bad things will come upon you.

Either way, just because they know the questions, doesn't mean they'll end up doing well. What I've usually seen is that those who ask other students for questions on the SAC are students who are pretty much not up to date with the subject anyway, meaning they're no real threat to those who really know their stuff, surely someone of your level, Bazza, shouldn't really be bothered by any of those prideless cheats.

[ktrah]

I agree with what Rohit's said, if you have an issue with cheating, you should be bringing it up with your co-ordinator or teacher or whoever is responsible, it doesn't really help when you come on here and have a whine about something that we really can't even help you with.

The truth is, let those who decide to cheat cheat, they will some day pay the price for their actions, if you do bad things, bad things will come upon you.

Nah, history has shown that it's often people who have done bad things that come out on top. And a lot of teachers are aware that cheating is happening, but sometimes there's not a lot they can do about it. If SACs aren't run at the same time it's inevitable that some people will tell their friends, and then people who don't find out are at a disadvantage. And like someone said before, in some schools the conditions SACs are done under are really bad (people talking and stuff). It's not an individual's fault that the way their school runs SACs allows for cheating. I'm not against having SACs - no system is flawless - but it does mean that there is a high possibility of unfairness (but then again that's true of most things in life).

[pi]

Nah, history has shown that it's often people who have done bad things that come out on top.

None of the top students (say top 40) were cheaters, they all deserved their marks.

The ones who *may* have cheated always fell down in exams.

[ktrah]

Yeah, but some students will still get a better SAC mark than they deserve (I don't mean the students right at the top, they're probably just really pro). For example, someone might do better in SACs by cheating compared to their classmate who didn't cheat, so even if the classmate gets the better exam score, they'll still get the better SAC score (the classmate will probably do better overall but they might've done even better if it weren't for the cheating). And with the history thing I meant history in general, not just in relation to VCE.

[pi]

And with the history thing I meant history in general, not just in relation to VCE.

Haha, VCE is absolutely no representation of real life (or even uni), and vice-versa

[ktrah]

Haha, VCE is absolutely no representation of real life (or even uni), and vice-versa

Yeah definitely not

[paulsterio]

Just because you know what's on the SAC doesn't mean that you're going to do well on it, that's still my opinion. It requires knowledge and a certain amount of skill as well. If I was told a couple of questions on the SAC, it would probably not affect my performance whatsoever, to be honest

And no, if they decide to cheat, they will be robbing themselves of knowledge, meaning that somewhere down the line, they will be unable to cheat in a SAC and they will pay for how they have neglected their subjects because they have relied on cheating to get them through.

[paulsterio]

Anyway, if you think these petty VCE cheats are really worth looking at then, look at this
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/world/intravenous-drips-hormone-injections-nannies-and-highflyer-rooms-drastic-measures-as-china-students-sit-college-exams-20120607-1zydb.html

[BoredSatan]

And with the history thing I meant history in general, not just in relation to VCE.

Haha, VCE is absolutely no representation of real life (or even uni), and vice-versa

so true.. owned vce.. getting RAPED by uni

[Genericname2365]

So, to try and understand this, you compete against your cohort in the SACs but try to help each other for the exams?

[pi]

Well, I'd like to think that you'd be willing to help others for both tbh

[Genericname2365]

Well, I'd like to think that you'd be willing to help others for both tbh

Lol I have done both, don't worry
I was just working out whether it's especially good to help people for the exams, but I'll admit my post did come across as rather selfish-sounding.

[paulsterio]

It depends where you are in the cohort, but essentially you always want the best exam mark in the cohort and the best SAC mark in the cohort

But if you are ranked 5th for SACs, for example, you will want the top 5 exam marks to be as high as possible

It's more complicated than beat them in SACs, help them for exams, too many situations to take into account

[ktrah]

Just because you know what's on the SAC doesn't mean that you're going to do well on it, that's still my opinion. It requires knowledge and a certain amount of skill as well. If I was told a couple of questions on the SAC, it would probably not affect my performance whatsoever, to be honest

And no, if they decide to cheat, they will be robbing themselves of knowledge, meaning that somewhere down the line, they will be unable to cheat in a SAC and they will pay for how they have neglected their subjects because they have relied on cheating to get them through.

It means you're more likely to do well on it though (it might not affect you because you're a really good student anyway). Yeah, they might not do as well when they aren't able to cheat later, but they still did better than they should have by cheating back then. And if everyone at your school is cheating in SACs, you would be at a disadvantage if you didn't cheat, because you're being ranked compared to them. I'm not saying it's a big issue, but it does have an effect.

[MisterTransistor]

No they don't they look at Unit 3 and Unit 4 separately.
If you're ranked 1st in Unit 3 SACs, you will get the top exam mark in your cohort for the GA corresponding to Unit 3 SACs
Then if you go on to be ranked 3rd in Unit 4 SACs, you will get the 3rd exam mark in your cohort for the GA corresponding to Unit 4 SACs

Does this apply to all subjects with a mid-year exam, like biology?