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« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2012, 07:45:31 pm »
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« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2012, 08:37:25 pm »
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According to the Access lecture, which was conducted by the chief examiner, you need to account for multiplets. It was about the only useful piece of information I gleaned that entire night.

Chris Dwyer mentioned that multiplicity rule is needed? FUQ. I stand corrected.
Are you sure? This is important because I made sure all my NMR qns in my book had no multiplicity issues.

Can't remember for certain if he said it was needed but we did about two questions involving the multiplicity rule.
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« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2012, 09:26:09 pm »
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According to the Access lecture, which was conducted by the chief examiner, you need to account for multiplets. It was about the only useful piece of information I gleaned that entire night.

Multiplets or multiplicity? Multiplets are just any peaks that aren't singlets afaik...



He gave us (MHS and Mac.Rob) a lecture last year for Unit 3, and I'm pretty sure he said it wasn't on the course...

Either way, just like "cracking", learn it anyway if you have the time :)

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Re: HNMR
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2012, 10:26:58 pm »
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I went to a lecture with Chris Dwyer a few weekends ago, and I am almost 100% sure he did not mention multiplicity, and it's not mentioned in his slideshow at all..

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Re: HNMR
« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2012, 12:49:44 am »
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According to the Access lecture, which was conducted by the chief examiner, you need to account for multiplets. It was about the only useful piece of information I gleaned that entire night.

Multiplets or multiplicity? Multiplets are just any peaks that aren't singlets afaik...

Multiplets are peaks that cannot be distinguished as a simple n-tet or (tet)2, and so forth.

The rule applies if you have different splitting frequencies. However, you need to consider if the difference is significant enough to break the typical (N+1) coupling. If the two neighbouring environments are similar, then peaks in splitting will overlap each other, and give you the typical (N+1) coupling. Even if difference in splitting frequencies is significant, if the instrument is not sensitive enough, you won't get your splitting (instrumental broadening is always a tricky and expensive problem to fix. UoM's NMR machine costs ~$1M). Typically, you only see this kind of splitting in aromatic compounds, as the delocalised ring allows 4-bond coupling (i.e. second neighbours), which has a very different J-coupling value compared to 3-bond coupling. Of course, none of this is taught in VCE (I learnt this in 2nd year), so there is no way to ask you to do this

Also, if the difference is significant enough, and you have for example (1+1)*(2+1)=6 peaks, that is NOT a sextet. That is a doublet of triplets or triplet of doublets, depending on the strength of J-coupling. To name something n-tet, it must have the correct binomial height distribution (i.e. Pascal's triangle). splittings look like this:


Anyways, the point is you only need (n+1) splitting. A case can always be made that splitting is insignificant enough to be ignored.
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Re: HNMR
« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2012, 09:22:52 pm »
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I went to a lecture with Chris Dwyer a few weekends ago, and I am almost 100% sure he did not mention multiplicity, and it's not mentioned in his slideshow at all..

Fair enough, maybe I fostered it within my imagination due to how bored I was.
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