Not rank 1, still possible to dux the subject?

[FlorianK]

btw, what happens if there are 2 or 3 with 100% on every SAC?

[pi]

btw, what happens if there are 2 or 3 with 100% on every SAC?

Teacher's discretion again.

[Jenny_2108]

btw, what happens if there are 2 or 3 with 100% on every SAC?

Teacher's discretion again.

It sounds scaring. You get full mark and still not rank 1

[thushan]

btw, what happens if there are 2 or 3 with 100% on every SAC?

Teacher's discretion again.

But generally you will all be equal rank 1. Teacher doesn't report ranks to VCAA, teacher reports marks to VCAA. Teacher could so easily report full marks for 3 students to VCAA without issue.

[meganrobyn]

Just quickly on two points:

1. Dux of subject is calculated differently for each school. Some award it after exams and take the exam into account; other schools only take Unit 3 SACs into account and then the other half is the school's trial exam (which doesn't get reported to VCAA). If it's the award of 'dux' you want, that's a school thing - check with your teacher how they calculate it.

2. Teachers don't report the rank to VCAA, they report the SAC marks. There's no discretion involved - what you get for your SACs is what is reported to VCAA, and your teacher doesn't (or shouldn't) change those marks from what was agreed during cross-marking (or whatever procedure is used by the school). VCAA then uses those scores to figure out the ranking. I don't know the exact statistical method they use to differentiate people, but it's something to do with using the 'z score' and keeping every student the right distance away from each other. Essentially, don't worry - your teacher doesn't randomly decide who gets reported to VCAA as first or second, and VCAA doesn't arbitrarily move you down a place to make the rankings easier.

And, as always: just do your best on everything and let the awards and rankings fall where they may.

[pi]

As above, my post referring to "discretion" was referring to a rank 1 in a dux situation (re: topic)

[paulsterio]

Just quickly on two points:

1. Dux of subject is calculated differently for each school. Some award it after exams and take the exam into account; other schools only take Unit 3 SACs into account and then the other half is the school's trial exam (which doesn't get reported to VCAA). If it's the award of 'dux' you want, that's a school thing - check with your teacher how they calculate it.

2. Teachers don't report the rank to VCAA, they report the SAC marks. There's no discretion involved - what you get for your SACs is what is reported to VCAA, and your teacher doesn't (or shouldn't) change those marks from what was agreed during cross-marking (or whatever procedure is used by the school). VCAA then uses those scores to figure out the ranking. I don't know the exact statistical method they use to differentiate people, but it's something to do with using the 'z score' and keeping every student the right distance away from each other. Essentially, don't worry - your teacher doesn't randomly decide who gets reported to VCAA as first or second, and VCAA doesn't arbitrarily move you down a place to make the rankings easier.

And, as always: just do your best on everything and let the awards and rankings fall where they may.

1 - I think in this situation, duxing the subject was referring to getting the highest study score in the cohort. But yeah, it is calculated in different ways at different schools.

2 - Even though teachers shouldn't mess around with SAC marks, I know that my English teacher entered a higher raw mark to VCAA than what I really got because he wanted me to be basically rank in the top 5 as he thought I would demolish the exam, but I didn't

[charmanderp]

What happened with the exam Paul, if you don't mind me asking?

[meganrobyn]

1 - I think in this situation, duxing the subject was referring to getting the highest study score in the cohort. But yeah, it is calculated in different ways at different schools.

2 - Even though teachers shouldn't mess around with SAC marks, I know that my English teacher entered a higher raw mark to VCAA than what I really got because he wanted me to be basically rank in the top 5 as he thought I would demolish the exam, but I didn't

1 - I think it got confused around the issue of teacher discretion. Highest study score "dux" doesn't involve discretion (unless they wrongly fudge the VCAA reporting) but school dux might. I just worry when the terms and discussion become confused because you see people getting the wrong impression of things and starting to freak out based on it.

2 - I'd probably keep that under wraps, if I were you! By doing that your teacher has unfairly disadvantaged any student who got moved down to make room for you, and we've all seen legal action being taken over less (cough, recent law wannabe).

[paulsterio]

What happened with the exam Paul, if you don't mind me asking?

5/10 on Language Analysis, totally a disaster, because I did really well on the other two essays.

1 - I think it got confused around the issue of teacher discretion. Highest study score "dux" doesn't involve discretion (unless they wrongly fudge the VCAA reporting) but school dux might. I just worry when the terms and discussion become confused because you see people getting the wrong impression of things and starting to freak out based on it.

2 - I'd probably keep that under wraps, if I were you! By doing that your teacher has unfairly disadvantaged any student who got moved down to make room for you, and we've all seen legal action being taken over less (cough, recent law wannabe).

1 - yes, you're right, highest study score dux doesn't require any discretion, but I don't really see why you would care/freak out about being the school dux for a particular subject, not as if that actually counts towards anything anyway, but at my school, dux = highest study score, overall dux = highest ATAR

2 - yeah, it was a bit dodgy because I wasn't the only one I know someone else who had his raw mark entered higher than what it was as well, but for all I know, it could have easily been an error whilst entering the marks, but I don't think that's right that they would make such an error

[BoredSatan]

Just quickly on two points:

1. Dux of subject is calculated differently for each school. Some award it after exams and take the exam into account; other schools only take Unit 3 SACs into account and then the other half is the school's trial exam (which doesn't get reported to VCAA). If it's the award of 'dux' you want, that's a school thing - check with your teacher how they calculate it.

2. Teachers don't report the rank to VCAA, they report the SAC marks. There's no discretion involved - what you get for your SACs is what is reported to VCAA, and your teacher doesn't (or shouldn't) change those marks from what was agreed during cross-marking (or whatever procedure is used by the school). VCAA then uses those scores to figure out the ranking. I don't know the exact statistical method they use to differentiate people, but it's something to do with using the 'z score' and keeping every student the right distance away from each other. Essentially, don't worry - your teacher doesn't randomly decide who gets reported to VCAA as first or second, and VCAA doesn't arbitrarily move you down a place to make the rankings easier.

And, as always: just do your best on everything and let the awards and rankings fall where they may.

1 - I think in this situation, duxing the subject was referring to getting the highest study score in the cohort. But yeah, it is calculated in different ways at different schools.

2 - Even though teachers shouldn't mess around with SAC marks, I know that my English teacher entered a higher raw mark to VCAA than what I really got because he wanted me to be basically rank in the top 5 as he thought I would demolish the exam, but I didn't

WTF ARE YOU SERIOUS
Im so mad at your english teacher now.. Sacs were the only reason I got such a bad score in English.. I did well enough on the exam to get 45 only to get marked down slightly because of really bad sacs..

[paulsterio]

My Unit 3 SACs were entered correctly, but my Unit 4 SACs were entered as 96/100 as opposed to 93/100 which was what i actually got

But either way I got scaled to 100 for Unit 4, and I would have gotten scaled to 100 had I gotten 93 anyway, so I didn't exactly benefit

[Hutchoo]

My Unit 3 SACs were entered correctly, but my Unit 4 SACs were entered as 96/100 as opposed to 93/100 which was what i actually got

But either way I got scaled to 100 for Unit 4, and I would have gotten scaled to 100 had I gotten 93 anyway, so I didn't exactly benefit

Woah! They scaled up by 7, that's huge!

What's (generally) the maximum scaling that can occur? X_x

[FlorianK]

How do we find out how much our SACs got scaled up or down?<
And when my SAC marks are 100% can they get scaled down?

[pi]

How do we find out how much our SACs got scaled up or down?<
And when my SAC marks are 100% can they get scaled down?

If you order a statement of study score after your study score is released by VCAA (or VTAC) at the end of the year.

Yes, that's possible.