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antidiff cot^2?
« on: June 27, 2012, 11:07:39 pm »
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How do you integrate cot^2? i came across it today and couldnt solve it, the solutions didnt really make much sense either

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Re: antidiff cot^2?
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2012, 11:11:04 pm »
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Hint: cot^2(x) = csc^2(x) - 1 :)

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Re: antidiff cot^2?
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2012, 11:21:22 pm »
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yea i got there, but then what do? actually i think my original question might have been int cosec^2, but i didnt go far from these two forms

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Re: antidiff cot^2?
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2012, 11:28:13 pm »
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I'm not sure of a proof (you could jump back to the fundamental theorem of calc to prove the derivative and hence the integral if you'd like though), but we know that d/dx(cot(x)) = -csc^2(x), hence, the integral of csc^2(x) in relation to x equals -cot(x) + C

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Re: antidiff cot^2?
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2012, 11:32:46 pm »
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hmm, yeah thats the formula they used in solutions, but theres no mention of it in the essentials book nor the formula sheet, thought it was abit dodgy.

thanks anyways though, guess will have to rmb it by heart

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Re: antidiff cot^2?
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2012, 11:33:54 pm »
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I don't think you need to know that the integral of cosec^2(x) is -cot(x), but I'll try to think of an elementary way to do it.


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Re: antidiff cot^2?
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2012, 11:48:44 pm »
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i think the book did sec^2/tan^2 as an alternative,  from cosec^2, which, i thought, was somewhat humorously tedious considering forming that from repeating the basic sin and cos requires 2 fractions within 1

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Re: antidiff cot^2?
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2012, 12:05:05 am »
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i think the book did sec^2/tan^2 as an alternative,  from cosec^2, which, i thought, was somewhat humorously tedious considering forming that from repeating the basic sin and cos requires 2 fractions within 1

OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE I DIDN'T SEE THAT! D: that's the right method

let u = tan(x) du/dx = sec^2(x) then just integrate 1/u^2 and then sub back in

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Re: antidiff cot^2?
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2012, 11:16:59 am »
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I don't think you need to know that the integral of cosec^2(x) is -cot(x), but I'll try to think of an elementary way to do it.
Don't you need a +C there even though its an intermediary step?
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Re: antidiff cot^2?
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2012, 11:27:57 am »
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Yes you would need to add a constant, I would add A and then later on add B

Then I would say let C = A + B, then replace them with C

I was just lazy :P

Though mathematically you could argue that the constant is maintained within the integral that you haven't found yet, if you know what I mean, but for the trouble that it's worth (even though it might be mathematically correct), I'd go the safe way.

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Re: antidiff cot^2?
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2012, 11:26:01 pm »
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lol, the C
must not write C when it asks for "an integral/solution", is this correct? because i mean, even if you leave C in, it is still an integral with C being any value. And if its because C can be anything, then i am free to write something like +100 at the end of an integration?

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Re: antidiff cot^2?
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2012, 11:29:39 pm »
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lol, the C
must not write C when it asks for "an integral/solution", is this correct? because i mean, even if you leave C in, it is still an integral with C being any value. And if its because C can be anything, then i am free to write something like +100 at the end of an integration?

You can write +100 if you want :P Just don't write +c or +(any letter) :)

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Re: antidiff cot^2?
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2012, 04:50:33 pm »
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You can write any letter you want, because it is an arbitrary constant.

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Re: antidiff cot^2?
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2012, 05:04:55 pm »
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You can write any letter you want, because it is an arbitrary constant.

But that's if it asks for the anti-derivative, if it asks for AN integral or A solution, no constants (right?).

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Re: antidiff cot^2?
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2012, 05:22:20 pm »
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I saw in A+ notes, it said "an antiderivative" => no need to write + c