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Re: I don't know what to do for university
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2012, 06:51:51 pm »
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Why did you choose to do Philosophy?

Idk, it just sounded like a pretty cool subject. I love debating really controversial issues, such as religion, euthanasia, abortion, suicide, eugenics, censorship and so on, and this seemed like a chance for me to do all of that. Unfortunately, there is a lot of reading to do in philosophy and I hate reading.
The reason I chose literature was because I hated English and this was the only alternative for me. Unfortunately, this wasn't as good as I expected, either.

I like maths except I don't really want to be an engineer. I'm not 100% sure what engineers do, but I don't like architecture and I wouldn't be very interested in manufacturing metal/plastic objects either.

Being a policeman just sounds like a pretty awesome job: fighting crime, carrying a gun, catching criminals and driving a highway patrol police car. I guess that's the main reason why I want to join the police or ASIO. Plus: the longer you work, the higher you progress in rank. I'm a very competitive person and I would love to have some sort of titled rank so that I could compare myself to others. And although the salary isn't amazing, it's not that bad either. I could definitely live off it, even with the expensive prices of housing today.
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Re: I don't know what to do for university
« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2012, 07:17:49 pm »
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Why did you choose to do Philosophy?

Idk, it just sounded like a pretty cool subject. I love debating really controversial issues, such as religion, euthanasia, abortion, suicide, eugenics, censorship and so on, and this seemed like a chance for me to do all of that. Unfortunately, there is a lot of reading to do in philosophy and I hate reading.
The reason I chose literature was because I hated English and this was the only alternative for me. Unfortunately, this wasn't as good as I expected, either.

I like maths except I don't really want to be an engineer. I'm not 100% sure what engineers do, but I don't like architecture and I wouldn't be very interested in manufacturing metal/plastic objects either.

Being a policeman just sounds like a pretty awesome job: fighting crime, carrying a gun, catching criminals and driving a highway patrol police car. I guess that's the main reason why I want to join the police or ASIO. Plus: the longer you work, the higher you progress in rank. I'm a very competitive person and I would love to have some sort of titled rank so that I could compare myself to others. And although the salary isn't amazing, it's not that bad either. I could definitely live off it, even with the expensive prices of housing today.
I don't think being a police officer is as exciting as you put it. The constable from my local police station talks about how it's just small problems he faces daily and paperwork. It would be like the movie 21 Jump Street but not as boring and easy as an officer at the park.

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Re: I don't know what to do for university
« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2012, 07:22:23 pm »
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Why did you choose to do Philosophy?

Idk, it just sounded like a pretty cool subject. I love debating really controversial issues, such as religion, euthanasia, abortion, suicide, eugenics, censorship and so on, and this seemed like a chance for me to do all of that. Unfortunately, there is a lot of reading to do in philosophy and I hate reading.
The reason I chose literature was because I hated English and this was the only alternative for me. Unfortunately, this wasn't as good as I expected, either.

I like maths except I don't really want to be an engineer. I'm not 100% sure what engineers do, but I don't like architecture and I wouldn't be very interested in manufacturing metal/plastic objects either.

Being a policeman just sounds like a pretty awesome job: fighting crime, carrying a gun, catching criminals and driving a highway patrol police car. I guess that's the main reason why I want to join the police or ASIO. Plus: the longer you work, the higher you progress in rank. I'm a very competitive person and I would love to have some sort of titled rank so that I could compare myself to others. And although the salary isn't amazing, it's not that bad either. I could definitely live off it, even with the expensive prices of housing today.
I don't think being a police officer is as exciting as you put it. The constable from my local police station talks about how it's just small problems he faces daily and paperwork. It would be like the movie 21 Jump Street but not as boring and easy as an officer at the park.

That's why I want to join the federal police or ASIO. They get to deal with the bigger cases such as murder, drug-trafficking and terrorism.
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Re: I don't know what to do for university
« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2012, 07:36:50 pm »
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Why did you choose to do Philosophy?

Idk, it just sounded like a pretty cool subject. I love debating really controversial issues, such as religion, euthanasia, abortion, suicide, eugenics, censorship and so on, and this seemed like a chance for me to do all of that. Unfortunately, there is a lot of reading to do in philosophy and I hate reading.
The reason I chose literature was because I hated English and this was the only alternative for me. Unfortunately, this wasn't as good as I expected, either.

I like maths except I don't really want to be an engineer. I'm not 100% sure what engineers do, but I don't like architecture and I wouldn't be very interested in manufacturing metal/plastic objects either.

Being a policeman just sounds like a pretty awesome job: fighting crime, carrying a gun, catching criminals and driving a highway patrol police car. I guess that's the main reason why I want to join the police or ASIO. Plus: the longer you work, the higher you progress in rank. I'm a very competitive person and I would love to have some sort of titled rank so that I could compare myself to others. And although the salary isn't amazing, it's not that bad either. I could definitely live off it, even with the expensive prices of housing today.
I don't think being a police officer is as exciting as you put it. The constable from my local police station talks about how it's just small problems he faces daily and paperwork. It would be like the movie 21 Jump Street but not as boring and easy as an officer at the park.

That's why I want to join the federal police or ASIO. They get to deal with the bigger cases such as murder, drug-trafficking and terrorism.
Ah I see, so would you want to be in the directly in the action or work with forensics in a lab?

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Re: I don't know what to do for university
« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2012, 07:36:57 pm »
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Unfortunately, there is a lot of reading to do in philosophy and I hate reading.

Then definitely don't do law, and don't do arts either unless you do only languages.
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Re: I don't know what to do for university
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2012, 07:44:13 pm »
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I honestly don't think your view on what police officers, even ASIO, do is correct, what you're looking at is the idealised, movie, media-hyped version of what they do, even though there are some that are involved in those sorts of jobs, it's an extreme niche.

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« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2012, 08:01:37 pm »
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These days it's all about experience. Get a degree that will land you your first gig and go from there.
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« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2012, 08:34:29 pm »
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Re: I don't know what to do for university
« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2012, 10:23:13 pm »
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- Forensic science

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSI_effect

As someone who's used a lot of the techniques and things you see on CSI, its nothing like the show. It honestly isn't. It's slow, boring and it very rarely all fits together perfectly in a puzzle like you think.  There's a lot of paper work and theres no orchestra to follow you around playing dramatic music while you get your science' on. It becomes old very quickly. Most of the time in this situation you'd just be writing up the results, you might not even know all the details. Someone else pieces together all those things.

I'm not going to go through the rest in detail. Law? Sure if you like pouring over thousands upon thousands of words of boring laws. It not like you're in law and order. It's hard work and the hours are long. It seems like you're leaning more towards the criminal side of things. Sometimes you have to cut deals, its part of the job. It takes a lot out of a person.

Criminology isn't as interesting as you think, theres a lot of boring theory and papers to read...good luck finding a job in it too.  Same for pysch, theres way too many graduates out there. Philosophy is only good if you want to teach it/become an academic, indeed IF you can become an academic. I think its a bit less learning and a bit more skill than some of the other areas you might find within the academic community, it certainly helps if you have a flair for it. If you don't, it might be hard to even make it through your undergraduate life. It seems interesting to people on the outside but once you actually have to do work and write an essay on it, a lot of people rapidly change their mind. If you're only getting a 30 in it i'm not sure if you posses that burning passion a lot of other philosophers in the field have. I'm not putting you down nor have i done VCE philosophy (have done uni philosophy though) but its a bit of a strech to expect that to magically change. These are signs and you should maybe take these into consideration. If you'll always love something later or get better at it later that wont take you anywhere good...really..if not now, then when?

Not to be the bearer of bad news or anything. If you actually like any of these fields then go for it but first actually know what you're getting yourself into...knows the reality of it rather than some other picture you have.

ASIO and ASIS are probably nothing like you picture. Most of your time is spent in meetings (as a government run bureaucracy surprise surprise!) or on a desk analysing things and writing up reports. It's certainly nothing like mission impossible, especially for Australians. There aren't all that many openings for forensic scientists (as far as i know) nor can you just "join" as a detective. You need to work your way up.

It's nice to have someone else make your choices for you but at the end of the day you need to look into these things at a much deeper level than you already have. It's alright to make mistakes in uni...transfer...change your degree but its still essential to have some kind of direction sooner or later. Only you can answer many of these questions yourself.

I think a general degree (Eg. BA or Bsc) will be a lot better for you and give you much more wiggle room than a degree with a more narrow scope like "forensic science" .
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Re: I don't know what to do for university
« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2012, 10:30:06 am »
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Is your estimated 50s for maths indicative that you're not just good at maths, but that you like maths?

If so, study maths!

There are heaps more job opportunities than you think in maths. I'm not sure about ASIO, but I know that the Department of Defence specifically recruits maths graduates. There is a lot of code breaking, etc. applications in maths which sounds like it would also interest you. I recommend you do a lot of research on maths departments and see which uni would best cater to your interests.

It is probably also a good idea to talk to HR people at places like ASIO and the police to actually get a sense of what the job entails.

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Re: I don't know what to do for university
« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2012, 11:55:08 am »
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I know this isn't mentioned in your list of possible careers, but with such high maths scores have you considered a career as an actuary?
I have spent a bit of time researching what jobs are ranked the highest (based on the physical demands, work environment, income, stress and hiring outlook of the job) and actuary is almost always in the top 5.
Just saying, because you're clearly good at maths (which as Eriny said could also be indicative that you like it too) - so you could really do well in it as a career - worth a thought anyway :)
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« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2012, 06:10:20 pm »
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Take a look at this: Victorian Institute of Forensic Medicine http://www.vifm.org/

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« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2012, 06:55:22 pm »
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Honestly, from my perspective, this thread screams Melbourne Model. One of the underpinning reasons behind it's implementation was to cater towards people like the OP, how don't really know where they want to go in life at 18. It's also one of the reasons that I went there, because I had not yet decided between Engineering and Law, and to me, doing both at Monash for 6 years wasn't something I wanted to do. So I have another 3 years of doing Engineering (and going on exchange and all that undergrad shiz) whilst doing Law Breadths to see if I like one more than the other. At the end of my Bachelor's I will choose between M. Eng and JD.

Whilst the ASIO, ASIS and Fed Police don't require a Bachelor's, it would be nice to have one when applying, which is why I would suggest a Bachelor of Arts at Unimelb.
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« Reply #28 on: July 06, 2012, 07:03:24 pm »
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Honestly, from my perspective, this thread screams Melbourne Model. One of the underpinning reasons behind it's implementation was to cater towards people like the OP, how don't really know where they want to go in life at 18. It's also one of the reasons that I went there, because I had not yet decided between Engineering and Law, and to me, doing both at Monash for 6 years wasn't something I wanted to do. So I have another 3 years of doing Engineering (and going on exchange and all that undergrad shiz) whilst doing Law Breadths to see if I like one more than the other. At the end of my Bachelor's I will choose between M. Eng and JD.

The funny thing is that after your BSc, if you choose to do Engineering, it will total to 5 years and if you choose to do Law, it will total to 6 years, so you'll be at uni for pretty much the same amount of time as doing Engineering/Law at Monash anyway :P

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« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2012, 07:07:25 pm »
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Another point to remember that is that most unis will let you do a major's worth of subjects from another faculty, at least in generalist degrees like Science or Arts. This could open up a few possibilities. I'm just pointing this out so no one thinks that this is only available at Melbourne Uni.