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TheRajinator

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electric power/magnetic fields
« on: July 28, 2012, 05:54:21 pm »
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1. Can the formula emf=blv be used in questions where coils are being taken out of a magnetic field.
2. I have uploaded a picture below to understand how can current be induced in BC part of the coil, in the BC section the current will be parallel with magnetic field, so how can current flow through BC or AD?

I have a sac soon so would appreciate any help.  :)Thanks
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Re: electric power/magnetic fields
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2012, 06:04:33 pm »
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OK what you're asking is a difficult question to answer, but I'll give you the outline anyway.

OK, I'll answer your first question first - it's probably not ideal to use , just use

Now, how can current be induced in the BC part of the coil? Well, what you see here is a coil - you can't consider each of the wires in the coil separately but look at the coil as a whole. You'll see that when the coil is rotated, there will be a change in flux - because flux is the number of magnetic field lines caught by the area. This means that when the coil is parallel to the field, there will be no flux, when the coil is perpendicular to the field, there will be a flux.

So what happens when you turn the coil? Well there will be a change in flux, purely because the angle will be changing. Mathematically, we can describe this as:




So essentially this is why the circular function relationship exists - but this is an aside.

The way to answer your question is to use Lenz's law - which is an application of conservation of energy, when you rotate your coil, the coil will attempt to retard your rotation (otherwise you would be getting free energy) - this is just the concept of work.

So what it happens is that it will attempt to generate a force in the opposite direction to your own force, which means that it will be trying to oppose the change in flux. So essentially, if your rotation is reducing the flux, what it will do is induce current within itself in order to increase the amount of flux.

So you can use either the right hand grip rule or the right hand slap rule to find the direction of the current.

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Re: electric power/magnetic fields
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2012, 06:30:16 pm »
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Is there a reason why emf=blv is not ideal to use? When is it ideal to use, for example can we only use it on straight single coils?
 Also is the current generated at a specific point in a generator, when the coil spins in the magnetic field.
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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2012, 07:13:38 pm »
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Is there a reason why emf=blv is not ideal to use? When is it ideal to use, for example can we only use it on straight single coils?
Also is the current generated at a specific point in a generator, when the coil spins in the magnetic field.

You can if you want, but it's not ideal because it's just unconventional and long winded, it's like me telling you to count to 5 and you counting up to 10 and then back to 5. It's longer.

No, current is not a "point" thing - it is a movement of electrons. So when we say current is induced in the coil, it means that the electrons are moving around and around inside the coil. Sure, you can measure current by seeing how many electrons move past a point per second, but the reason why those electrons are moving in the first place is to counteract your changing flux.

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Re: electric power/magnetic fields
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2012, 07:15:29 pm »
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I see... thanks  :)
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