Sexuality-Choice or Innate?

[Lolly]

It's also interesting that you disqualify homosexuals from being Catholic.

I never said homosexuals cannot be catholic. You can still be a catholic and not receive all seven holy sacraments.

Ok, but I still pick up a sense of exclusion.There's a reason why homosexual people find it hard to feel welcomed within the church. Why do you think this/what's the basis of your argument? ( I'll listen if it holds water) 

This reminds me of a conversation I had with the school pastor, who's quite conservative. No, that's an understatement. Reactionary, perhaps would be a better term. He thinks women should not be allowed to be ordained in the Lutheran church. I asked why and he said because all denominations that have allowed women ordination have also permitted homosexual ministers.
To which my reaction was:

D:

like, legit, a whole minute of stunned silence.
Could not compute.

[thushan]

It's also interesting that you disqualify homosexuals from being Catholic.

I never said homosexuals cannot be catholic. You can still be a catholic and not receive all seven holy sacraments.

Ok, but I still pick up a sense of exclusion.There's a reason why homosexual people find it hard to feel welcomed within the church. Why do you think this/what's the basis of your argument? ( I'll listen if it holds water) 

This reminds me of a conversation I had with the school pastor, who's quite conservative. No, that's an understatement. Reactionary, perhaps would be a better term. He thinks women should not be allowed to be ordained in the Lutheran church. I asked why and he said because all denominations that have allowed women ordination have also permitted homosexual ministers.
To which my reaction was:

D:

like, legit, a whole minute of stunned silence.
Could not compute.

*trying to compute* *ERROR: could not compute* :/

[paulsterio]

Why does everything on this Rants and Debate board always turn to religion - the original point of talking was whether sexuality was a choice or whether it's genetic i.e. whether it is due to environmental or biological mechanisms.

It has nothing to do with "gay marriage" and nothing to do with Catholicism, so move along please.

[enwiabe]

Why does everything on this Rants and Debate board always turn to religion - the original point of talking was whether sexuality was a choice or whether it's genetic i.e. whether it is due to environmental or biological mechanisms.

It has nothing to do with "gay marriage" and nothing to do with Catholicism, so move along please.

The only reason this question is of any interest is because of bigots who attempt to oppress minorities.

[paulsterio]

I don't know Dan, it's of interest to others for purely scientific reasons - like I'm interested in finding out whether it's something which is genetic, i.e. you are gay from the day you are born, or whether it's something which is environmental - i.e. you become gay due to the way you are raised or if it is a combination of both. I'm not by any means against gay people, but I'm interested in knowing the scientific underpinnings as to why it occurs, you can say that I'm interested in the pathophysiology of it all really.

Twin concordance studies will be useful here, but we have too small a sample unfortunately.

[Russ]

What, no we don't, the evidence is pretty clear that there is a strong genetic element that is modulated by environmental factors.

I agree with the sentiment that it's not really relevant though, equality isn't something that is dependent on cause.

[paulsterio]

I agree with the sentiment that it's not really relevant though, equality isn't something that is dependent on cause.

But I don't want to know because I am trying to find a reason to discriminate, I want to know because I think it's something which would be interesting to know. It's a part of asking the question "Why?".

[Biceps]

Why does everything on this Rants and Debate board always turn to religion - the original point of talking was whether sexuality was a choice or whether it's genetic i.e. whether it is due to environmental or biological mechanisms.

It has nothing to do with "gay marriage" and nothing to do with Catholicism, so move along please.

It's because somehow religion always has a say in these type of issues.