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Film trailer sparks protests across the Islamic world
« on: September 15, 2012, 03:52:19 pm »
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Angry protests over a film made in the United States that mocks the Prophet Mohammed have spread to Australia, with a large demonstration outside the US consulate in Sydney.
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« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2012, 04:42:00 pm »
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Anti-Islam film: What we know

Video mocking Prophet Muhammad spurs attacks on US diplomatic missions in Benghazi and Cairo.



An obscure slapstick film said to be entitled Innocence of Muslims or Life of Muhammed has been cited as the cause for riots at US diplomatic posts in Egypt and Libya.

But the existence of the purported filmmaker, Sam Bacile, allegedly a 52-year-old Israeli-American real estate developer, has not been proven.

In interviews with the AP news agency and the Wall Street Journal, a man calling himself "Sam Bacile" said he had raised about $5m to produce the film. He also was quoted describing Islam as "a cancer", and claimed he had raised money from "about 100 Jewish donors" to make the video.

But the interview subject did not even give the same age during his two known press interviews, as he told the AP he was 56.

The man said the amateur, two-hour-long film had involved dozens of actors and was produced in California in 2011. But new reports suggest neither any prior social media presence by the director nor any IMDB page for the film.

The director of the California Film Commission - which issues permits for films that are shot in the state, told the Huffington Post that no permit was ever granted to someone by the name "Sam Bacile".

'Desert Warrior'

The trailer for the film - which itself is so far unavailable to the public - portrays Islam’s Prophet Muhammad as a fraud and a womaniser, and depicts him having sex. The entire film has only been shown once in public, at a theatre in Hollywood, said the source who identified himself as "Bacile".

He also explained he made the film because “after 9/11 everybody should be in front of the judge”, AP reported. "Even Jesus, even Muhammad."

But actors who participated in the filming now say they had no idea the film was even about Muhamad or Islam. The original casting call was reportedly for a film called "Desert Warrior" by director Alan Roberts.

And all the film's religious references were actually dubbed after the original shooting.

"Bacile" is now reportedly in hiding, even though reports suggest that the name is merely cover for a larger group, or a pseudonym for someone who may be neither Israeli nor Jewish - but who cited such an identify to inflame tensions.

One of the actresses who says she was tricked into being in the film says "Bacile" told her on set that he was Egyptian, and that he spoke Arabic to other men present.

Reuters has reported that Egypt's Coptic Orthodox church issued a statement condemning some Egyptian Christians living aboard who it said had financed "the production of a film insulting Prophet Muhammad".

In Egypt and Libya, public anger at the video spilled over on Tuesday, leading to the death of the US ambassador in Benghazi, Libya and the evacuation of embassy workers in Cairo.

Spread on social media

How did an obscure film trailer come to have international ramifications? It was first posted on YouTube by a user called "sam bacile" in July 2012, and has received about 450,000 views to date.

The trailer began to get more attention in September. On September 4, the same user posted a version dubbed in Arabic, which has garnered tens of thousands of views.

Morris Sadek, a Coptic Christian born in Egypt but who lives in the US, told AP he had been promoting the film on his website. He also tweeted a link to the trailer on September 9.

Sadek, the head of the National American Coptic Assembly, is known for his vehemently anti-Islam views, and told the Wall Street Journal that “the violence that it [the film] caused in Egypt is further evidence of how violent the religion and people are".

Terry Jones, the Florida pastor whose burning of Qurans in 2011 spurred riots across the Muslim world leading to several deaths, also reportedly promoted the film.

The Arabic version of the trailer received heavy media coverage in Egypt last week, including by controversial hardline TV host Khaled Abdallah, who reported on the film on September 8.

A clip of the show was posted to YouTube on September 9, where it has received almost 400,000 views so far.

"The operation behind this film appears to be extreme Egyptian Copts who want to discredit the Morsi government and create a provocation," journalist Max Blumenthal told Al Jazeera.

"They oppose the revolution and are aligned with Christian right groups who have an apocalyptic, theocratic agenda and who are inciting against Muslim-Americans," Blumenthal said, adding, "They put Muslims in the US in danger, they put Copts in Egypt in danger, and they're putting US diplomats in danger."

YouTube clip blocked

The Afghan government on Wednesday temporarily blocked YouTube in an effort to discourage people from watching the clip. YouTube also blocked the video in Egypt, agency reports said.

In a statement issued on Wednesday, the company said: "We work hard to create a community everyone can enjoy and which also enables people to express different opinions.

"This can be a challenge because what's OK in one country can be offensive elsewhere.

"This video - which is widely available on the web - is clearly within our guidelines and so will stay on YouTube. However, given the very difficult situation in Libya and Egypt we have temporarily restricted access in both countries.

"Our hearts are with the families of the people murdered in [Tuesday's] attack in Libya."

Observers say Google has grown more averse to removing videos. After its 2006 acquisition of YouTube, it was accused of censorship in several high-profile controversies.

"They're squeezed on all sides," said Rebecca MacKinnon, a fellow at the New America Foundation. "But because of pressure from a lot of people who feel they made the wrong decisions, they now generally err on the side of keeping things up."

In recent years, Google has used technology to filter out videos in certain countries to comply with local regulations.

Source: Al Jazeera and agencies

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/09/201291214042970150.html
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Re: Film trailer sparks protests across the Islamic world
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2012, 04:46:17 pm »
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Thanks for the clear and concise information about this thing. I wasn't sure what to believe, reading different stuff in different newspapers.
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2012, 04:52:22 pm »
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Merged two threads. Please post reasonably here, thanks.

The film clip is in bad taste but the reaction is just disgusting and should be condemned by everybody. Sheesh.

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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2012, 05:06:12 pm »
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California Man Confirms Role in Anti-Islam Film

(LOS ANGELES) — The search for those behind the provocative, anti-Muslim film implicated in violent protests in Egypt and Libya led Wednesday to a California Coptic Christian convicted of financial crimes who acknowledged his role in managing and providing logistics for the production.

Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 55, told The Associated Press in an interview outside Los Angeles that he helped with logistics for the filming of “Innocence of Muslims,” which mocked Muslims and the prophet Muhammad and may have caused inflamed mobs that attacked U.S. missions in Egypt and Libya. He provided the first details about a shadowy production group behind the film.

Nakoula denied he directed the film and said he knew the self-described filmmaker, Sam Bacile. But the cell phone number that AP contacted Tuesday to reach the filmmaker who identified himself as Sam Bacile traced to the same address near Los Angeles where AP found Nakoula. Federal court papers said Nakoula’s aliases included Nicola Bacily, Erwin Salameh and others.

Nakoula told the AP that he was a Coptic Christian and said the film’s director supported the concerns of Christian Copts about their treatment by Muslims.

Nakoula denied he had posed as Bacile. During a conversation outside his home, he offered his driver’s license to show his identity but kept his thumb over his middle name, Basseley. Records checks by the AP subsequently found it and other connections to the Bacile persona.

The AP located Bacile after obtaining his cell phone number from Morris Sadek, a conservative Coptic Christian in the U.S. who had promoted the anti-Muslim film in recent days on his website. Egypt’s Christian Coptic population has long decried what they describe as a history of discrimination and occasional violence from the country’s Arab majority.

Pastor Terry Jones of Gainesville, Fla., who burned Qurans on the ninth anniversary of 9/11, said he spoke with the movie’s director on the phone Wednesday and prayed for him. He said he has not met the filmmaker in person, but the man contacted him a few weeks ago about promoting the movie.

“I have not met him. Sam Bacile, that is not his real name,” Jones said. “I just talked to him on the phone. He is definitely in hiding and does not reveal his identity. He was quite honestly fairly shook up concerning the events and what is happening. A lot of people are not supporting him.”

The film was implicated in protests that resulted in the burning of the U.S. consulate Tuesday in the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi.

Libyan officials said Wednesday that Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other embassy employees were killed during the mob violence, but U.S. officials now say they are investigating whether the assault was a planned terrorist strike linked to Tuesday’s 11-year anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks.

Nakoula, who talked guardedly about his role, pleaded no contest in 2010 to federal bank fraud charges in California and was ordered to pay more than $790,000 in restitution. He was also sentenced to 21 months in federal prison and ordered not to use computers or the Internet for five years without approval from his probation officer.

The YouTube account, “Sam Bacile,” which was used to publish excerpts of the provocative movie in July, was used to post comments online as recently as Tuesday, including this defense of the film written in Arabic: “It is a 100 percent American movie, you cows.”

Assistant U.S. Attorney Jennifer Leigh Williams said Nakoula set up fraudulent bank accounts using stolen identities and Social Security numbers, then checks from those accounts would be deposited into other bogus accounts from which Nakoula would withdraw money at ATM machines.

It was “basically a check-kiting scheme,” the prosecutor told the AP. “You try to get the money out of the bank before the bank realizes they are drawn from a fraudulent account. There basically is no money.”

The actors in the film issued a joint statement Wednesday saying they were misled about the project and said some of their dialogue was crudely dubbed during post-production.

In the English language version of the trailer, direct references to Muhammad appear to be the result of post-production changes to the movie. Either actors aren’t seen when the name “Muhammad” is spoken in the overdubbed sound, or they appear to be mouthing something else as the name of the prophet is spoken.

“The entire cast and crew are extremely upset and feel taken advantage of by the producer,” said the statement, obtained by the Los Angeles Times. “We are 100 percent not behind this film and were grossly misled about its intent and purpose. We are shocked by the drastic rewrites of the script and lies that were told to all involved. We are deeply saddened by the tragedies that have occurred.

The person who identified himself as Bacile and described himself as the film’s writer and director told the AP on Tuesday that he had gone into hiding. But doubts rose about the man’s identity amid a flurry of false claims about his background and role in the purported film.

Bacile told the AP he was an Israeli-born, 56-year-old, Jewish writer and director. But a Christian activist involved in the film project, Steve Klein, told AP on Wednesday that Bacile was a pseudonym and that he was Christian.

Klein had told the AP on Tuesday that the filmmaker was an Israeli Jew who was concerned for family members who live in Egypt.

Officials in Israel said there was no record of Bacile as an Israeli citizen.

When the AP initially left a message for Bacile, Klein contacted the AP from another number to confirm the interview request was legitimate then Bacile called back from his own cell phone.

Klein said he didn’t know the real name of the man he called “Sam,” who came to him for advice on First Amendment issues.

About 15 key players from the Middle East - from Syria, Iraq, Turkey, Pakistan, Iran and a couple Coptic Christians from Egypt - worked on the film, Klein said.

“Most of them won’t tell me their real names because they’re terrified,” Klein said. “He was really scared and now he’s so nervous. He’s turned off his phone.”

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate groups, said Klein is a former Marine and longtime religious-right activist who has helped train paramilitary militias at a California church. It described Klein as founder of Courageous Christians United, which conducts protests outside abortion clinics, Mormon temples and mosques.

It quoted Klein as saying he believes that California is riddled with Muslim Brotherhood sleeper cells “who are awaiting the trigger date and will begin randomly killing as many of us as they can.”

In his brief interview with the AP, Bacile defiantly called Islam a cancer and said he intended the film to be a provocative political statement condemning the religion.

But several key facts Bacile provided proved false or questionable. Bacile told AP he was 56 but identified himself on his YouTube profile as 74. Bacile said he is a real estate developer, but Bacile does not appear in searches of California state licenses, including the Department of Real Estate.

Hollywood and California film industry groups and permit agencies said they had no records of the project under the name “Innocence of Muslims,” but a Los Angeles film permit agency later found a record of a movie filmed in Los Angeles last year under the working title “Desert Warriors.”

A man who answered a phone listed for the Vine Theater, a faded Hollywood movie house, confirmed that the film had run for a least a day, and possibly longer, several months ago, arranged by a customer known as “Sam.”

Google Inc., which owns YouTube, pulled down the video Wednesday in Egypt, citing a legal complaint. It was still accessible in the U.S. and other countries.

Klein told the AP that he vowed to help make the movie but warned the filmmaker that “you’re going to be the next Theo van Gogh.” Van Gogh was a Dutch filmmaker killed by a Muslim extremist in 2004 after making a film that was perceived as insulting to Islam.

“We went into this knowing this was probably going to happen,” Klein said.

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By GILLIAN FLACCUS and STEPHEN BRAUN

Braun reported from Washington. Associated Press writers Shaya Tayefe Mohajer and Michael Blood in Los Angeles, Tamara Lush in Tampa, Fla., and AP researcher Rhonda Shafner in New York contributed to this report.

Source: Associated Press

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Re: Film trailer sparks protests across the Islamic world
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2012, 05:18:41 pm »
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We know a couple things so far:

  • A trailer for this film exists but we aren't sure if an actual film exists.
  • It's been on youtube for months but the coverage recently exploded when a dubbed arabic version surfaced and got press
  • The attack against the US embassy in Libya was probably not wholly in response to the film. Considering it was attacked around Sept. 11 and the attackers were heavily armed, its not your standard angry mob.
  • Sam Bacile, especially as portrayed by the person claiming to be him, almost certainly doesn't exist.
  • It seems likely Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, a Coptic Christian living in Egypt is "Sam Bacile"
  • The film was originally not made with Islamic sentiments. It was a drama about life in Arabia 2000 years ago. All the dialog referring to Muhammad in the English version is extremely poorly overdubbed and does not match the lips of the person speaking. It was obviously added after the fact.
  • Despite allegedly having a large budget from 100s of Jewish donors around the world, the film is extremely poorly made with choppy editing and poor special effects.
  • It's likely part of the rage against this film is actually more of an outpouring of Anti-USA sentiment across the region.

Here is a link of the video, make sure to watch to at least half way through to see the controversial parts and the hilariously bad editing and dubbing.
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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2012, 06:59:31 pm »
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Looks like it is a porno.

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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2012, 07:17:13 pm »
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Looks like it is a porno.

Funny you say that..

http://www.newser.com/story/154086/innocence-of-muslims-made-by-porno-director.html

(Newser) – Looks like the director of Innocence of Muslims wasn't all that innocent. The director of the schlocky film trailer that sparked rioting across the Middle East was 65-year-old Alan Roberts, the maker of softcore porn flicks like The Happy Hooker Goes Hollywood, Gawker reports. Cast members and crew confirm that producer "Sam Bacile"—actually Nakoula Basseley Nakoula—hired Roberts, who apparently had no idea he was directing a piece of anti-Islamic propaganda.

"They redubbed it, they brought in the actors, put in new sounds, changed the names," says a colleague. "And this was done later, before it was initially released. Of course Alan had nothing to do with it." No comment from Roberts, however, who has "turned off his phone" and is lying low since the riots broke out, the colleague says. Another hint that Roberts directed It: The cast actually includes a porno actor and a fetish model, LA Weekly reports. (See how the actors say they were misled into making the video.)

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« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2012, 07:28:45 pm »
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Ok I'll admit I'm still disorientated but translating film into arabic> instant furore> what else do you expect?

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« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2012, 11:41:39 pm »
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The f did I just read? If people hadn't been killed over this I would have called this simply a pathetic circus. Now its like really serious shit. A making of a film trailer causing people to get killed and families torn apart? this is depressing.
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« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2012, 12:48:05 am »
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The f did I just read? If people hadn't been killed over this I would have called this simply a pathetic circus. Now its like really serious shit. A making of a film trailer causing people to get killed and families torn apart? this is depressing.

This is of particular interest to me and most analysis think that its only tangentially related to the film. Most sources are reporting that the initial attack, the one on the Libyian embassy, was pre-planned. Lets not forget it roughly co-incided with 9/11 anyway. All this does is serve as a cover.

On the Islamic websites i participate in, most people are legitimately outraged. The more senior and wise people realise this isn't the way, if anything, it re-enforces the films image. A lot of people, even within these communities believe its just a reason for a wider outpouring against the USA and around the perception that they've been targeting Muslims, Muslim countries and supporting Israel despite its horrible human rights record.

It's almost like the black rights movement in the USA. The real intellectual powerhouses like Martin Luther King were working so hard to achieve lasting change. Their movement was co-oped by violent elements who actually made things a whole lot worse. These violent elements aren't helping Muslims, they're making things worse. A lot of the older and more mature Muslims realise this along with many of the intellectual leaders of the community.

If you look at the recent protests in Sydney for example, it was largely youth and they were pretty much a spitting image of thugs.









There were people there also giving out speeches and handing out introductory information about Islam. Just generally talking to the community. Because of the violent elements though, all their work and efforts were rendered useless.
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« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2012, 01:02:57 am »
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Muslims take their religion seriously why make this movie?
It's like the movie makers are asking for these repercussions.
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Counter-protests have started springing up:







 



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An interview with a counter-protester:

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“It’s really heartbreaking, it’s very emotional. I know the morning after the attack, I just sat there and cried. This is not what we fought so hard for. Toppling Qadaffi was something really big and we rose in the eyes of many across the world. It’s so hard, as a Libyan-American, to be dealing with this right now when we’ve worked so hard to get where we are.”
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« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2012, 01:21:15 am »
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I just watched it, it just looked completely stupid, I don't even see why it's an issue - the guy who made it is a complete denegrate.

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« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2012, 01:33:13 am »
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Muslims take their religion seriously why make this movie?
It's like the movie makers are asking for these repercussions.
I think the movie was extremely stupid.. however I support their freedom to make it. The fact of the matter is we can't let freedom of speech that is one of the foundations of our civilization be trumped just because a bunch of thugs get butthurt and can't take criticism.
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