Film trailer sparks protests across the Islamic world

[thushan]

"And that's why I conclude that religious moderates are that way because their morality is innate. They are naturally going to disagree with the vile parts of their religion because they are good people."

In other words, people who pick and choose elements of the Bible or the Quran or any other holy book are able to do so using moral values OUTSIDE religion, or from ANOTHER religion (outside their own).

Kinda supports the point that religion is not necessary to develop good morals.

[vashappenin]

This is why moderate Islam is a joke - because it's simply not a true representation of the religion.

I'm not complaining that there are no peaceful Muslims - but peaceful Muslims are those who don't take the Quran and Hadith seriously.

I can garauntee you for a fact that those who were protesting in Sydney were the ones who took their religion seriously (going to the mosque continually, reading the quran, reading the hadith, etc.) and those at home watching their fellow brothers and sisters in Islam make a fool of themselves didn't.

Hah. Consider what you're saying before making blunt statements like this.

Moderate Islam is not a joke. Heck, why even say moderate Islam?!? Islam is one religion... okay, there's some extremists,but put that aside and we're all still Muslims. I seriously feel hurt when reading some of the comments put forth by some people. I mean seriously, okay, these Muslims in Sydney did act violently, and I too believe that maybe this wasn't the right approach.. But why go dissing the rest of the Muslims?

It's fine for you to have your own opinion, say whatever the hell you want about this event happening in Sydney, but by all means, why are you extending it out to other Muslims? I don't see other religions getting bagged when a minor group of them decides to do something stupid?

Maybe those who were protesting in Sydney should've cut down on the violence, but no way does that mean Muslims at home watching them on TV aren't taking Islam seriously.
I am a Muslim who goes to the mosque whenever possible, reads the Quran, Hadith, etc., and for your information, I take my religion very seriously.

I can without a doubt say that peaceful Muslims do take the Quran and Hadith seriously.
So please, stop make disrespectful claims like these Because that's just down right rude and wrong.

[Soul_Khan]

Can you please explain to my why is it we see this type of violent reaction ONLY from Muslims? Why don't Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, or Jews get offended when their religion is portrayed in a negative light, they are as passionate about their religion as Muslims. Any why is it that Islamic theocratic countries are one of the most oppressing and inhumane places to live in? I'm speaking here primarily about Saudi Arabia and their disgusting system of Sharia Law which by the way is supposed to coincide directly with the Quran and the Hadiths.

I never said this is how all Muslims should act nor did I generalize their behavior towards all Muslims - I admit that their are plenty of peaceful Muslims out there and they are the majority. I said they're behavior will not be condemned by the Quran nor the Hadiths and thus is perfectly consistent with the religion.

[Biceps]

...and I feel for the peaceful Muslims whose name is being tarnished by these extremists.

A strict reading of the Quran, the traditional scholar's interpretation,and the hadith suggests that they're actions aren't condemned by the good book. Considering that the peaceful verses were abrogated by the later more violent verses in the Quran, I don't see how any moderate and peaceful muslim can convince a strict Imam (who have all the control of the people btw) to choose the way of peace. Just look at the imams in Saudia Arabia, Yemen, Afghanistan, Iran, etc. and you will see that those who are hardcore fundamentalists (taking every word of the Quran and the hadith extremely seriously) generally endorse these violent acts (especially towards Jews).

This is why moderate Islam is a joke - because it's simply not a true representation of the religion.

I'm not complaining that there are no peaceful Muslims - but peaceful Muslims are those who don't take the Quran and Hadith seriously.

I can garauntee you for a fact that those who were protesting in Sydney were the ones who took their religion seriously (going to the mosque continually, reading the quran, reading the hadith, etc.) and those at home watching their fellow brothers and sisters in Islam make a fool of themselves didn't.

I have to say i disagree. I can assure you 75% of those protesting in Sydney don't even pray their 5 daily prayers.
I despise their actions and the repercussions it has inflicted us with and I follow Islam.
I take the Quran and Hadith very seriously.
I don't approve of the video as well, but I just hate the fact that they resort to violence the way they did.
Notice the religious leader that caused them to begin rioting is, in fact, not educated in the Quran or the Hadith. Other leaders condemn their actions.
I urge you guys to not make generalizations based on the actions of these hooligans.

[JellyDonut]

Can you please explain to my why is it we see this type of violent reaction ONLY from Muslims?

*Predominantly from muslims. Anders Beverik is an example of a Christian believer that committed largescale murder. He was more anti-Islamic than he was against multiculturalism. From his manifesto, he had no problem associating with an African, so long as he was Christian.
As to why Muslims are generally the violent ones, only the US has a culture that holds freedom of speech sacrosanct. Most arab nations don't share the same sentiment which is evident in the enacting of blasphemy laws. Since murder for blasphemy is sanctioned by the state, it wouldn't be a stretch to say that the citizens would view it as a justifiable act.

[abcdefghijklmnopq]

Okay so a person makes a film clearly to infuriate the Muslims and also calls it "innocence of Muslims" and hence suggests that all Muslims are as depicted by the film. He also insults the prophet, someone who means as much to the Muslims as their own parents, in a disgusting way. AN's view on the film: 'it's his right-freedom of speech' . But hey freedom of speech has LIMITS and that movie clearly passed the limits, but no one gives a shit because it was against Muslims and this western world as a matter of fact is becoming increasingly anti Muslim.

A protest began in Sydney, at first quite peacefully but then unfortunately became violent. Many police were unfortunately injured as the group got a bit too furious. All Australian Muslims were quickly labelled as extremists and them being in Australia questioned. In fact Andrew Bolt even went as far as saying maybe the Muslim entry into Australia should be restricted, I think he has forgotten the fact that white people STOLE this land . Every protest gets violent just look at the anti-Japan protest in China were they are taking people out of cars and assaulting, yet no one says anything but because this Muslim protest got a bit out of hand Muslims are violent/ extremists and what not.

Everywhere I look, Herald sun articles, youtube or whatever every person that comments talks about their Hate for Islam/Muslims. Not one bloody person looks at the cause. Not one person suggests that perhaps the movie was a bit too inappropriate and should be deleted. Not One. All I see is HATE. One comment read "The world would be better without Muslims".

Clearly this film should never have been made and instead of banning the film everyone in society, media is exerting full energy and effort into declaring Muslims as extremists etc. Why don't you delete the damn film? What purpose does it serve anyway? Why doesn't anyone see how HURT the Muslims are by this? Why doesn't anyway see as an obvious attack on all of us?

And talking about picking and choosing, it looks like you guys also pick and choose what articles to share how about this one:
Police appeal over text messages

Meanwhile, Victoria Police is urging anyone who can identify the sender of a vitriolic text message inciting violence against Muslims in Melbourne to contact CrimeStoppers to "stop any nonsense developing.''

The text message asks for non-Muslim Australians to attend a protest in Melbourne's CBD  this Sunday in response to the violent demonstrations that were held in Sydney last weekend.

Yesterday it was revealed a pro-Islam rally was being planned outside the State Library on Sunday, leading to possible conflict between the two groups.

"I've seen some other stupid comments on Facebook, so these are always quite concerning when you get this sort of incitement going on,'' Deputy Commissioner Tim Cartwright said this morning on radio station 3AW.

"I'll call it ugly, I mean this is criminality, vilification and just the sort of thing we don't want to see.

"We will be acting early and if we can track down who's responsible for this we will be paying them a visit well before Sunday,'' he added.

"We do take it seriously. We will be trying to identify the group or the people and paying them a visit as soon as we can to investigate it and make sure it doesn't happen.

"We expect the best, but plan for the worst. We will certainly be ready to respond if we see any signs of violence.

"If you know who's sending them I would urge people to contact Crime Stoppers so we can get in early and stop any nonsense developing,'' he added.

The text message, seen by the Herald Sun, reads: "ATT: All Australians, this Sunday these Muslim **** are planning a protest in OUR city. I call on all brothers and sisters to meet at (deleted by Herald Sun) on Sunday for a united march to (deleted by Herald Sun.)

"Let's show these (deleted by Herald Sun) that we run this county (sic) not them.''

The rest cannot be published by the Herald Sun.

It ends: "Spread the word and come ready for a battle for our rights and our land. They thought Cronulla riots were bad. Australians Unite!!!''

"I've got to say that the response from the broader community, the Islamic leaders, from all sorts of faiths across the week has been very reasonable and reflects the sort of community we live in - this text message doesn't,'' Tim Cartwright said
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And Tim Cartwright wtf are you on about? from what i've seen text messages like this encompasses exactly how the broader community (non-muslims) have been reacting!

SHOULD THE MOVIE HAVE BEEN MADE? NO
SHOULD THE SYDNEY PROTEST TURNED VIOLENT? NO I really wish that it hadn't perhaps then, just maybe, maybe, one or two people would have realized the stupidity of this film and have backed them up. MAYBE.
IS MUSLIM ANGER JUSTIFIED? YES
WHY ISN'T ANYONE ELSE AGAINST THE MAKING OF THE FILM? BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO BUSY SPREADING WORDS OF HATE ABOUT ISLAM, BELIEVE THAT FREEDOM OF SPEECH MEANS ONE CAN DO WHATEVER THEY LIKE EVEN IF IT HURTS SOMEONE ALTHOUGH IF THIS HAD BEEN AGAINST SOME OTHER RELIGION I'M 1000% THEY WOULD RESPOND THE SAME WAY AND YOU KNOW WHAT NO ONE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THE RESPONSE THEY WOULD'VE REMOVED THE MOVIE ALREADY.

What i;ve come to realise is that Muslim's aren't becoming anti western but westerner's are becoming anti-Islamic which is clearly evident through the comments they make and the large numbers that make them. You don't have to look far to notice this.

People also keep saying that they have made stuff like this for 'every religion' which is utter bullshit, no one has ever made a film just focused on denigrating a religion and its people.  This film was clearly spreading the word of hate (which i think it got across quite readily) and had no other purpose. So clearly it shouldn't exist but living in this time, where people are becoming anti-Islamic (admit or not) everyone is supporting it instead and finding entertainment in watching people get hurt over this.

Here is another article you guys left out:
Growing backlash

Police are investigating a Facebook page calling for "Aussies" to retaliate against Muslim protests, which had 732 "likes" at 8.15am yesterday before it was taken down.

"People should be aware that the dissemination of (inciting) material is unacceptable and ... appropriate action will be taken," a police spokesman said.

Meanwhile, a Federal Government inquiry into multiculturalism has been swamped with Islamophobic and racist submissions since the weekend riot.

Many of the 513 submissions accepted by the inquiry assert that multiculturalism has failed, that Muslims "refuse to assimilate" and threaten Australia's democracy.
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I can't believe i'm still shocked by the amount of hate out there for us people!

[ninwa]

Firstly, please don't make duplicate accounts, it's against the Code of Conduct.

Secondly,

Why don't you delete the damn film? What purpose does it serve anyway? Why doesn't anyone see how HURT the Muslims are by this? Why doesn't anyway see as an obvious attack on all of us?

JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE HURT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN COMMIT VIOLENT ACTS.

Nobody is defending the damn film. But censoring something just because someone else didn't like it is far worse than any film that could ever be made.

[Soul_Khan]

Can you please explain to my why is it we see this type of violent reaction ONLY from Muslims?

*Predominantly from muslims. Anders Beverik is an example of a Christian believer that committed largescale murder. He was more anti-Islamic than he was against multiculturalism. From his manifesto, he had no problem associating with an African, so long as he was Christian.
As to why Muslims are generally the violent ones, only the US has a culture that holds freedom of speech sacrosanct. Most arab nations don't share the same sentiment which is evident in the enacting of blasphemy laws. Since murder for blasphemy is sanctioned by the state, it wouldn't be a stretch to say that the citizens would view it as a justifiable act.

Yes but that's quite different since Anders Beverik did not commit those acts because he was offended by a YouTube film or a cartoon insulting Jesus rather it was out of his own prejudice and hate towards muslims and multiculturalism in general.

Anyone I repeat, anyone, who thinks it's right to retaliate in a violent way just because they're offended or because they deeply revere their beloved prophet or god has is utterly immoral. This applies to Christians, Jews, Hindus, or people of any other religion.

[abcdefghijklmnopq]

@ ninatron many people on this forum as well as not, are defending the film justifying it as 'freedom of speech'.

I never said that anyone should've and should resort to violence. But it happened. What also happened was that film. No one will talk about the film though!

enough said.

[Soul_Khan]

"Those who annoy Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this World and in the Hereafter, and has prepared for them a humiliating Punishment." - Surah 33, Ayah 57

Since the penalty of apostasy and blasphemy is death (possibly by beheading) in Saudia Arabia which is a country which implements Sharia Law which by the way is derived from both the Quran and hadith, why in the world should I listen to anything a western Muslim says concerning apostasy or blasphemy when your scholars and law makers in Saudia Arabia say something the complete opposite. If you disagree with their laws then you obviously disagree with the Quran and Hadiths too since they are DERIVED from it.

[Truck]

SHOULD THE MOVIE HAVE BEEN MADE? NO
SHOULD THE SYDNEY PROTEST TURNED VIOLENT? NO I really wish that it hadn't perhaps then, just maybe, maybe, one or two people would have realized the stupidity of this film and have backed them up. MAYBE.
IS MUSLIM ANGER JUSTIFIED? YES
WHY ISN'T ANYONE ELSE AGAINST THE MAKING OF THE FILM? BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO BUSY SPREADING WORDS OF HATE ABOUT ISLAM, BELIEVE THAT FREEDOM OF SPEECH MEANS ONE CAN DO WHATEVER THEY LIKE EVEN IF IT HURTS SOMEONE ALTHOUGH IF THIS HAD BEEN AGAINST SOME OTHER RELIGION I'M 1000% THEY WOULD RESPOND THE SAME WAY AND YOU KNOW WHAT NO ONE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THE RESPONSE THEY WOULD'VE REMOVED THE MOVIE ALREADY.

What i;ve come to realise is that Muslim's aren't becoming anti western but westerner's are becoming anti-Islamic which is clearly evident through the comments they make and the large numbers that make them. You don't have to look far to notice this.

People also keep saying that they have made stuff like this for 'every religion' which is utter bullshit, no one has ever made a film just focused on denigrating a religion and its people.  This film was clearly spreading the word of hate (which i think it got across quite readily) and had no other purpose. So clearly it shouldn't exist but living in this time, where people are becoming anti-Islamic (admit or not) everyone is supporting it instead and finding entertainment in watching people get hurt over this.

Here is another article you guys left out:
Growing backlash

Police are investigating a Facebook page calling for "Aussies" to retaliate against Muslim protests, which had 732 "likes" at 8.15am yesterday before it was taken down.

"People should be aware that the dissemination of (inciting) material is unacceptable and ... appropriate action will be taken," a police spokesman said.

Meanwhile, a Federal Government inquiry into multiculturalism has been swamped with Islamophobic and racist submissions since the weekend riot.

Many of the 513 submissions accepted by the inquiry assert that multiculturalism has failed, that Muslims "refuse to assimilate" and threaten Australia's democracy.
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I can't believe i'm still shocked by the amount of hate out there for us people!

I'll fix it for you: Should the movie have been made? NO.
Is Muslim anger against the film justified? NO.

Have you read the protocols of the elders of zion? Have you seen monty python's depiction of christianity? A book that depicts Jews far worse then your movie about muslims and a movie that denigrates christianity quite a lot... and they're honestly the tip of the iceberg.

The moral of the story is this: The vast majority of people think the movie is filth. But the fact that these idiots would protest it, when we live in a country where JUST AS BAD FILMS/TEXTS are regularly published is idiotic. This movie wasn't promoted by the government or a social group, it was uploaded by a RANDOM IDIOT and even the actors in the movie were conned into doing it. Then the fact that these people redirect their anger towards a society which had no fucking influence in the making of the movie, which widely condemns it, and then claim "we'd be just as pissed off if was our religions"... that is BULLSHIT. If someone insults Christianity/Jews, the individuals who follow that faith may certainly be insulted, but you'll never see them protesting and rioting because of a random insult that a random person with no political/social influence made.

Case in point: http://www.theonion.com/articles/no-one-murdered-because-of-this-image,29553/

Yet to see riots.

EDIT: And nobody talks about the film, because nobody gives a fuck about the film. The film is shit, the way people reacted to the film is far, far, worse.

[JellyDonut]

SHOULD THE MOVIE HAVE BEEN MADE? NO
SHOULD THE SYDNEY PROTEST TURNED VIOLENT? NO I really wish that it hadn't perhaps then, just maybe, maybe, one or two people would have realized the stupidity of this film and have backed them up. MAYBE.
IS MUSLIM ANGER JUSTIFIED? YES
WHY ISN'T ANYONE ELSE AGAINST THE MAKING OF THE FILM? BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO BUSY SPREADING WORDS OF HATE ABOUT ISLAM, BELIEVE THAT FREEDOM OF SPEECH MEANS ONE CAN DO WHATEVER THEY LIKE EVEN IF IT HURTS SOMEONE ALTHOUGH IF THIS HAD BEEN AGAINST SOME OTHER RELIGION I'M 1000% THEY WOULD RESPOND THE SAME WAY AND YOU KNOW WHAT NO ONE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THE RESPONSE THEY WOULD'VE REMOVED THE MOVIE ALREADY.

Christians have had their crucifix (with jesus on it) submerged in a glass of piss and put on display. A lot of death threats and vandalism, but none of it ever materialised into actual deaths.

Even when an attack did occur during the screening of Scorsese's The Last Temptation of Christ, it was nowhere near the scale of what is happening right now

Muslim anger is understandable but the guy isn't subject to Islamic law so y'all just gotta deal with it

[ninwa]

@ ninatron many people on this forum as well as not, are defending the film justifying it as 'freedom of speech'.

I never said that anyone should've and should resort to violence. But it happened. What also happened was that film. No one will talk about the film though!

enough said.

The fact that you blame the film shows that you think the violence was, in some way, justified. That a mere film, which most of the protestors didn't even SEE, justified the deaths of innocent embassy workers, the damaging of property and the injuring of police.

That to me is a whole lot more disgusting than the film itself.

[abcdefghijklmnopq]

http://www.islamicwritings.org/quran/peace/does-the-quran-teach-violence/

"It is important that we study the religious texts in their proper context. When these texts are not read in their proper textual and historical contexts they are manipulated and distorted.”

[JellyDonut]

So out of curiosity (you don't have to answer), why do you adhere to Islam? If the teachings are to be read only in a textual and historical context, why follow it in the 21st century?