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Re: Private schools are unfair? Discussion of a TABOO topic [SPLIT]
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2012, 05:18:53 pm »
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Well, just because you aren't well off doesn't mean you can't have a good education. There are plenty of opportunities out there to join Accelerated Programs, apply for scholarships, join selective schools etc.
Still, not everyone knows about selective schools and such, and your school aren't going to tell you as they want to keep you. I didn't really know about Melb High and such until I joined AN about halfway through year 11. If I had of known earlier then I probably would of given it a shot at getting in. Same goes for scholarhsips (could also have something to do with me not having net till yr 11 aswell, to find out more out this stuff, but still). Also not all schools have accelerated programs, mine didn't start one till the year after mine, so I didn't get to be in an accelerated program.
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Re: Private schools are unfair? Discussion of a TABOO topic [SPLIT]
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2012, 05:19:11 pm »
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Divert all government funding from private schools to public schools.

Last time you said this I commented on the impracticality of it and you never replied. Would you like to address that now?
You said that public schools wouldn't be able to handle the influx of students. I answered with statistics that showed that they indeed would be able to, based on government funding figures and the Gonski report.

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Re: Private schools are unfair? Discussion of a TABOO topic [SPLIT]
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2012, 05:26:33 pm »
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Well, just because you aren't well off doesn't mean you can't have a good education. There are plenty of opportunities out there to join Accelerated Programs, apply for scholarships, join selective schools etc.

This. ^ And who defines what a 'good' education is anyway? Not all public schools are 'crap' and people still graduate and become successful through this pathway, without having to pay 20k a year. It's not like a certain Atar determines whether an education is "good" or not.
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Re: Private schools are unfair? Discussion of a TABOO topic [SPLIT]
« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2012, 05:32:41 pm »
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Well, just because you aren't well off doesn't mean you can't have a good education. There are plenty of opportunities out there to join Accelerated Programs, apply for scholarships, join selective schools etc.
Programs, scholarships and selective schools are still far and few between. They also really only benefit excellent students that are incentivised to do so, not raise the standard of education across the board.
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Re: Private schools are unfair? Discussion of a TABOO topic [SPLIT]
« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2012, 05:33:39 pm »
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Divert all government funding from private schools to public schools.

Last time you said this I commented on the impracticality of it and you never replied. Would you like to address that now?

We live in a society where, in theory, we strive to provide equality of opportunity for all kids. It doesn't mean everyone needs to be wealthy/super rich/successful, but it means that everybody should have the same opportunity to make themselves great. Today's private schools completely undermine that philosophy, so until government schools are good enough to the point where people only go to private schools for reasons that are related to social factors (i.e. religion), and not to get an advantage in sports/academics, I'd say it's very unfair.

I think that if all public schooling provides education to an acceptable level, then there's nothing inherently wrong with private schools offering educational perks associated with money. There's a curve of diminishing returns after a certain point and if you can receive a completely reasonable standard of education at a public school, then we don't need to worry overly much about the fine differences that private schools have. I see the major problem as being that some public schools are too far behind in areas they shouldn't be behind in, rather than there being small disadvantages based on private schools having smartboards etc.

I fundamentally agree with what you're saying, and my main problem is as you said, that many public schools do not provide anything close to what many would define an "acceptable standard". Class sizes no greater then about 20 students, competent teachers, a reasonable extra-curricular program alongside adequate sport facilities (i.e. every school should have an oval, equipment for sports such as soccer, footy, cricket) and language/music teachers is what I would consider a good standard. Many public schools do not offer close to all of that, and before we can think of making public schools better then private schools we need to get them to that standard.

With that said, I find that in discussions such as this one we always get to examples of people who"despite the poor public school, did well" etc etc. This is, in my opinion, a major problem in which we justify inequality by saying that some people are able to overcome adversity and therefore the adversity which they face is not an issue. I see that as flawed reasoning - the fact that we're saying that people are able to do well even though they went to a crappy school underlines the fact that we have great students being let down by the public education system. We shouldn't be justifying poor schools by saying people do well in them regardless, but instead using those students who do well in poor schools as justification to improve the poor schools in the first place!
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Re: Private schools are unfair? Discussion of a TABOO topic [SPLIT]
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2012, 05:35:38 pm »
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Well, just because you aren't well off doesn't mean you can't have a good education. There are plenty of opportunities out there to join Accelerated Programs, apply for scholarships, join selective schools etc.
Programs, scholarships and selective schools are still far and few between. They also really only benefit excellent students that are incentivised to do so, not raise the standard of education across the board.

I agree, the point I was making was that it isn't *as* unfair as the OP made it out to be.

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Re: Private schools are unfair? Discussion of a TABOO topic [SPLIT]
« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2012, 06:05:31 pm »
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You said that public schools wouldn't be able to handle the influx of students. I answered with statistics that showed that they indeed would be able to, based on government funding figures and the Gonski report.

Your statistics showed nothing of the sort and you know it, which is why you didn't reply when I pointed that out.

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Re: Private schools are unfair? Discussion of a TABOO topic [SPLIT]
« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2012, 06:09:41 pm »
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You said that public schools wouldn't be able to handle the influx of students. I answered with statistics that showed that they indeed would be able to, based on government funding figures and the Gonski report.

Your statistics showed nothing of the sort and you know it, which is why you didn't reply when I pointed that out.
They showed exactly that. You response was to ask 'where in the Gonski report they are', which I felt was unecessary to answer because the answer is so easily found.

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Re: Private schools are unfair? Discussion of a TABOO topic [SPLIT]
« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2012, 06:16:35 pm »
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Food for thought. We know some non-selectve government schools academically do very well. For instance, Glen Waverley Secondary College last year had a median ATAR very close to 90, which is in the range of many private schools, for instance Scotch - which had a median of 90.55.

Now - why does GWSC go comparatively well compared to other public schools? One could say it's the school culture involved. If so - how do we address the issues with school culture in other schools? Could it be differential funding? If so, how do we address this? What could be the reason?

Other schools from memory that do particularly well academically are Balwyn High, Uni High and Vermont South.
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Re: Private schools are unfair? Discussion of a TABOO topic [SPLIT]
« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2012, 06:31:41 pm »
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Food for thought. We know some non-selectve government schools academically do very well. For instance, Glen Waverley Secondary College last year had a median ATAR very close to 90, which is in the range of many private schools, for instance Scotch - which had a median of 90.55.

Now - why does GWSC go comparatively well compared to other public schools? One could say it's the school culture involved. If so - how do we address the issues with school culture in other schools? Could it be differential funding? If so, how do we address this? What could be the reason?

Other schools from memory that do particularly well academically are Balwyn High, Uni High and Vermont South.
In the case of GWSC I think it's more ethnic culture than school culture, persay. Although personally I've always seen the great benefit of going to a private school to be extra-curricular opportunity, rather than academic excellence. Or at least, that's always been the appeal for me.
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Re: Private schools are unfair? Discussion of a TABOO topic [SPLIT]
« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2012, 06:39:31 pm »
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School culture would, in that case, stem from ethnic culture.
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Re: Private schools are unfair? Discussion of a TABOO topic [SPLIT]
« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2012, 06:43:19 pm »
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That's true.
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Re: Private schools are unfair? Discussion of a TABOO topic [SPLIT]
« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2012, 08:12:47 pm »
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It's not all just about funding ...
It's about teachers.. and reputation too ....
The my school website alienates many school unfairly.... It will only lead to those schools dropping down even further...
I personally believe that its the teachers that make a big difference.... I think the government should try and divert good teachers to schools that desperately needs them...
Edit : just as an analogy... If I was to become an engineer..I would want to go to Boeing ... Not supercheap auto.. get my drift
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Re: Private schools are unfair? Discussion of a TABOO topic [SPLIT]
« Reply #28 on: October 07, 2012, 08:18:44 pm »
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Taboo topic :

The advantages of being in a private school and whether it is unfair on government schools as they usually have a lower education level.


private schools are AMAZING.
however, the only negative i can see is that they baby us quite a bit. Like they do everything so it's usually harder for private school kids at uni.
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Re: Private schools are unfair? Discussion of a TABOO topic [SPLIT]
« Reply #29 on: October 07, 2012, 10:19:20 pm »
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Life isn't fair, I think that should be pretty evident by now.
Sure there are some very good public schools (excluding selective schools) but there are a LOT of nastier ones. Cost correlates with quality of education (to some degree) and I don't think the government feels like giving teachers incentives to move to public schools because they are already pretty miserly on the whole teacher salary thing and even if they did the private schools probably wouldn't give their teachers up without their own incentives.

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