Career options

[Limista]

Hi everyone,

Two things:

* is it possible to do undergraduate medicine at Melbourne Uni. without having a UMAT score (i.e. entry based solely on ATAR)?

* is it possible to do a bachelor of commerce and law (double degree) at Melbourne Uni.? (I know they offer it at Monash)

Thanks 

[Starlight]

Hi everyone,

Two things:

* is it possible to do undergraduate medicine at Melbourne Uni. without having a UMAT score (i.e. entry based solely on ATAR)?

* is it possible to do a bachelor of commerce and law (double degree) at Melbourne Uni.? (I know they offer it at Monash)

Thanks 

a) It's not an undergrad, you go through (most commonly) the bachelor of biomed or bachelor of science and then get accepted to the graduate program with excellent uni grades and a decent gamsat result.

However if you get 99.00+ I think it's guaranteed FFP, 99.90+ guaranteed CSP

b) No double degrees at melbourne

[pi]

However if you get 99.90 I think it's guaranteed FFP, 99.95- guaranteed CSP

Also 99.90 for guaranteed CSP

[Starlight]

However if you get 99.90 I think it's guaranteed FFP, 99.95- guaranteed CSP

Also 99.90 for guaranteed CSP

thanks for the pick up, edited my post.

[Limista]

Hi everyone,

Two things:

* is it possible to do undergraduate medicine at Melbourne Uni. without having a UMAT score (i.e. entry based solely on ATAR)?

* is it possible to do a bachelor of commerce and law (double degree) at Melbourne Uni.? (I know they offer it at Monash)

Thanks 

a) It's not an undergrad, you go through (most commonly) the bachelor of biomed or bachelor of science and then get accepted to the graduate program with excellent uni grades and a decent gamsat result.

However if you get 99.90 I think it's guaranteed FFP, 99.95- guaranteed CSP

b) No double degrees at melbourne

Sorry, but what do FFP and CSP mean?
Also, you say that "you think" ~ does that mean you're not sure, because I'm not sure either  It would be nice if someone could confirm this 

[mark_alec]

Full Fee Place.
Commonwealth Supported Place.

[Limista]

Full Fee Place.
Commonwealth Supported Place.

So does FFP mean that you're paying the full tuition fees?
Does CSP mean that the bank is paying some of your fees for you, like a loan?

Also, just confirming that for both of these options, a UMAT score is not required, right?

[jasrulz63]

FFP = $230,000 fees that you need to pay in total. You can get FEE-HELP and loan ~$100k from the government, but you'll need to front the rest (around $60k a year).

CSP = roughly $9,000 a year from memory, all which can be put on HECS. It's loan from the government that you pay for when you start earning. Therefore you don't need to front anything.

UMAT not required. If you don't get a guaranteed place, then the GAMSAT is required (post-graduate version of UMAT), but you don't worry about that till your second year of uni at the earliest.

[Limista]

If you don't get a guaranteed place, then the GAMSAT is required (post-graduate version of UMAT), but you don't worry about that till your second year of uni at the earliest.

Thanks for your help, but what do you mean by a "guaranteed place" ~ does that mean you don't get the required ATAR of 99.9 or 99.95?

Say that an individual does get 99.9 or 99.95 for their ATAR, and gets either a FFP or CSP place at Melbourne, is it regarded an an "undergraduate degree"? What is the future course for an individual who follows this career path (i.e. how many years of medical training required, what happens in first & second & third etc. year of medicine...)?

Thanks again 

[mark_alec]

There are no FFP for local students for undergraduate courses. If you do not get a guaranteed place in medicine or law (post graduate degrees at Melbourne), then the GAMSAT or LSAT tests are required for admittance. See http://futurestudents.unimelb.edu.au/admissions/pathways/guaranteed-entry

Years wise, an MBBS at Monash will be 5 years, <undergraduate degree>+MD at Melbourne will be 7 years. There are many topics on these boards about the difference between the two pathways.

[Hancock]

What he means by guaranteed place is that you get a guaranteed place for Melbourne GRADUATE medicine degree. You cannot do it as your first degree like Monash. Similarly, you cannot do Law and Commerce as a double degree at Melbourne. You do Commerce / Science / Anything, and then you do a 3 year Juris Doctor Program with the Melbourne Law School.

Since Medicine at Melbourne is a graduate degree, they can force you to pay full fee, hence FFP (full fee place) if you are not as competitive as other applicants. Commonwealth supported places, or CSPs, means that you only pay a fraction of the cost for a degree. By law, all undergraduate degrees in Australia have to have CSP places for all domestic students.

Undergraduate degree is your first degree at Uni. It is any degree under Masters, or Post-grad diploma. Undergrad includes Bachelor degrees, like the ones that you will do at Melb before Law or Medicine.

Honestly, it's not hard to find most of this stuff on any forum / Melbourne website. Let's be honest, there are so many medicine threads on this forum and many others it's bordering on ridiculous. The search bar is your friend.

Also, Law or Med? They're two completely different fields. It's questionable that you truly want to pursue both.

[pi]

Starfish, essentially these are your options for med:

1) Monash MBBS -> 5 year undergraduate course (ie. right after yr12), requires UMAT+ATAR+interview, no full-fee places for domestic students. Hence, every place is done though UMAT+ATAR+interview, highly competitive
2) UoM MD -> graduate-entry course (you MUST have finished an undergrad degree to apply), some places are full-fee
    (i) You get 99.90-99.95 ATAR, all you have to do is pass an interview and you will be guaranteed a CSP ("normal") spot once you finish you undergrad degree at UoM (eg. Biomed).
    (ii) You get 99.00-99.85, you have a guaranteed FULL-FEE spot once you finish you undergrad degree at UoM (eg. Biomed). As the the name suggests, it costs a bucket-load, but it is guaranteed.
    (iii) You get any other ATAR or get 99.00-99.85 but do NOT want the full-fee place (understandable), you sit the GAMSAT (essentially the bigger brother of the UMAT). You place in the MD will be based on GPA(grade-point-average: your scores in uni)+GAMSAT+Interview, this is for selection for a CSP place.
3) Interstate medicine -> Undergrad courses, mostly 6 years in length. Depends on uni for other info.

[Limista]

Also, Law or Med? They're two completely different fields. It's questionable that you truly want to pursue both.

Thanks, but just because I'm asking you about both law and medicine does not necessarily mean I want to pursue both. It just means that I'm attempting to inform myself about the criteria required for each field so then I am aided in deciding which career I want to pursue ~ the uni. requirements will be a factor in helping me decide.

[Limista]

    (ii) You get 99.00-99.85, you have a guaranteed FULL-FEE spot once you finish you undergrad degree at UoM (eg. Biomed). As the the name suggests, it costs a bucket-load, but it is guaranteed.

Thanks ~ this is what I was looking for... a light (however expensive!) at the end of the tunnel 

[Hancock]

While university entrance requirements can help you decide, only looking at Melbourne University's is not showing that you are devoted to one field. Hell, I've got friends that wanted to do law, only got ~mid 80 and are now doing it at VU and Deakin (granted they used SEAS). I'm sure other interstate unis are easier to get into medicine than Melbourne will ever be (or Monash ugrad for that matter). I do commend you for seeking information early, but restricting your questions to only law and medicine just portrays the extremely annoying stereotype that I see quite a bit in my chemistry and commerce classes.

Also, $250,000 debt is not a 'light at the end of a tunnel.' By any rationale. It's not an attack towards you specifically, I just see a lot of year 12 students here and in other forums talk about how they would take up the FF place. I've heard of a student that got FFP guaranteed, took Biomed and then when he graduated 3 years later, his family realised that would have to work out 150k upfront and said no. So he was stuck with virtually a degree that doesn't really have any career options except research, or post grad study.