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Which books / texts score the highest
« on: November 17, 2012, 08:43:26 pm »
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Is there anyway to find this out, I know it depends on the person but just generally ?
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Re: Which books / texts score the highest
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2012, 08:50:57 pm »
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The assessor reports each year state this data, check the text response and context sections and look for the table (usually directly above or below that table they'll state the texts with the highest mean score).

http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/Pages/vce/studies/english/englishexams.aspx

What texts the state generally does well on doesn't hold much relevance to what texts you could do well on though.

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Re: Which books / texts score the highest
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2012, 09:01:46 pm »
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Yeah it means nothing. The correlation lies more between what texts the best English cohorts in the state do (MHS, Macrob, MGS, etc) and which texts score more highly.
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Re: Which books / texts score the highest
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2012, 12:11:49 am »
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^I would argue that for good students, Shakespeare is often the way to go though.  It's just easier to find depth and breadth to any argument, and to find good solid language to pick apart with The Bard.  Hence why MHS/MGS at least always choose Shakers.
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Re: Which books / texts score the highest
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2012, 12:37:52 am »
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At the same time I'd argue that a good student could find depth and sophisticated ideas to analyse in any text :P That being said, I see where you're coming from; my school and quite a few other weaker English cohorts choose texts like OTW because they're very basic. This is further compounded the fact that they've realised poor English students can't be bothered reading a novel/are unable to analyse one effectively, which is why nearly 20% of the state writes on On The Waterfront.
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Re: Which books / texts score the highest
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2012, 12:44:30 am »
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At the same time I'd argue that a good student could find depth and sophisticated ideas to analyse in any text :P That being said, I see where you're coming from; my school and quite a few other weaker English cohorts choose texts like OTW because they're very basic. This is further compounded the fact that they've realised poor English students can't be bothered reading a novel/are unable to analyse one effectively, which is why nearly 20% of the state writes on On The Waterfront.

Note that I said "easier" - I also think that a good student could write on any text and potentially still do well.  It's just that I for one would struggle to find enough meaning in, for instance, "The Old Man Who Read Love Stories" to write a 10/10 on it; it's just a lame text with little depth.  A 10/10 is conceivable, just harder.  :p

Something else to consider perhaps - it might be the case that writing on some texts will make it easier to get TOP tier marks as well.  For instance, few schools which teach texts such as "The Old Man Who Read Love Stories" get very high English scores consistently, and so examiners (who have no doubt noticed this trend in the past, since they're mentioned in the examiners' reports) might subconsciously be disinclined to give an essay on said text a 10/10 or even a 9/10 as a result; after all, it would have to prove itself as an "outlier", rather than as the norm.  In contrast, Shakespeare (as an example) is often taught by the best schools, and so an examiner would expect to find 9/10s and 10/10s, and would thus more likely give them, perhaps.

I know it's lame to play the guessing game like this, but speaking as somebody who has seen firsthand how subjective marking can often be influenced by psychological factors (both from my own experience as an English marker and student, and even in things such as debating) , I think this is appropriate (and even reasonable) to point out.
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Re: Which books / texts score the highest
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2012, 12:59:03 am »
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No you're right. It's just that I assume this thread was made by a student who is aiming to get a 10/10, and in my opinion schools choose their texts with the relative strength of the entire cohort in mind. So a strong cohort would do most likely be doing Shakespeare and a weaker cohort might do OTW. But in both cases the top students in each cohort will have a near equal chance of achieving full marks if they study their texts effectively and write well, so it's not something the OP should worry about.

On the flip side of examiners maybe expecting to see a 10/10 come from a Shakespeare piece as opposed to an OTW piece, if you wrote a really good OTW essay which had an original take but was perhaps on the edge between a 9 and 10, and a particular examiner had to that point only read monotonous pieces on OTW which basically just repeated interpretations such as 'Terry's redemption is motivated by his love for Edie', this could tip you over, because you stand out from what is a very large crowd (long sentence oops).

The day you struggle to find meaning in anything, we're kinda screwed EZ :P
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Re: Which books / texts score the highest
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2012, 01:23:16 am »
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Haha EZ I actually found that whilst The Old Man Who Read Love Stories is probably the worst film to watch, it's an excellent film for the purposes of VCE English and text response. :D

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« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2012, 01:53:21 am »
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Haha EZ I actually found that whilst The Old Man Who Read Love Stories is probably the worst film to watch, it's an excellent film for the purposes of VCE English and text response. :D

Hate hate hate hate hate it.  Maybe my irrational hatred of the film prevents me from seeing anything analysable abut it.  Still.  :p
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Re: Which books / texts score the highest
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2012, 01:58:07 am »
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Haha EZ I actually found that whilst The Old Man Who Read Love Stories is probably the worst film to watch, it's an excellent film for the purposes of VCE English and text response. :D

Hate hate hate hate hate it.  Maybe my irrational hatred of the film prevents me from seeing anything analysable abut it.  Still.  :p

Hahaha really?! It's actually interesting when you think about it - notice how Rubicondo holds up the tooth and Antonio holds up the gem? This parallel could suggest that whilst the gem possesses natural beauty, its worth is overshadowed by the savagery of man, depicted through the rotten tooth etc... Do you still hate the film? Haha

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Re: Which books / texts score the highest
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2012, 02:24:29 am »
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Haha EZ I actually found that whilst The Old Man Who Read Love Stories is probably the worst film to watch, it's an excellent film for the purposes of VCE English and text response. :D

Hate hate hate hate hate it.  Maybe my irrational hatred of the film prevents me from seeing anything analysable abut it.  Still.  :p

Hahaha really?! It's actually interesting when you think about it - notice how Rubicondo holds up the tooth and Antonio holds up the gem? This parallel could suggest that whilst the gem possesses natural beauty, its worth is overshadowed by the savagery of man, depicted through the rotten tooth etc... Do you still hate the film? Haha

Yes.  Rotten teeth symbolising human nature is lame.  Even The Room is better. :p
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Re: Which books / texts score the highest
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2012, 02:27:13 am »
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I refuse to believe that The Room is better than anything :P
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« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2012, 02:34:00 am »
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I refuse to believe that The Room is better than anything :P

You would be surprised - at least I enjoyed The Room.  All The Old Man Who Read Love Stories made me want to do is fall asleep (literally - I had to restart the movie twice).
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Re: Which books / texts score the highest
« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2012, 03:00:11 am »
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I haven't seen it - save myself the pain, you reckon?
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Re: Which books / texts score the highest
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2012, 07:15:13 pm »
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No you're right. It's just that I assume this thread was made by a student who is aiming to get a 10/10, and in my opinion schools choose their texts with the relative strength of the entire cohort in mind. So a strong cohort would do most likely be doing Shakespeare and a weaker cohort might do OTW. But in both cases the top students in each cohort will have a near equal chance of achieving full marks if they study their texts effectively and write well, so it's not something the OP should worry about.

my school does both?