Subject selection dilemma

[sin0001]

Hey guys, so my subject selections are due soon and I can't decide on whether I should do Accounting 3/4 or Further 3/4 next year (in yr. 12). I have already completed year 11 accounting, and I find it way more interesting than further maths. Also knowing that only 2 math subjects can be counted in the top 4, I'm leaning towards Accounting. For people that have already done these subjects, is accounting much harder than further? can someone please share their opinions.
Thanks

[Kuchiki]

Further is definitely easier than Accounting. At least, it was for me, mainly because Further is almost all numbers and practical stuff while Accounting has a fair amount of theory to learn, especially when you get to the longer discussion questions.

But hey, I personally enjoyed both subjects, and Accounting really isn't insanely harder, so if you enjoy Accounting more, then you should go for that.

[Dejan]

If you show more interest in Accounting more than Further Maths therefore you will enjoy the subject much better than maths meaning you will be more attentive in class by wanting to listen, complete set work, homework and study meaning potentially increasing your chances of scoring a higher SS and boosting your ATAR. So in my opinion choose Accounting

[sin0001]

Yeah at this stage, it's most likely gonna be accounting. Thanks for your opinions

[charmanderp]

Maybe wait until your Methods mark comes out? If you're aiming for a 41 in Spesh you're definitely capable of getting a 50 in Further. Note that this is an enormous challenge, but you'd like to have that option should you maybe not do as well as you'd like in Methods.

This being said, choosing a subject you're passionate about it always the most important thing. So long as you have a bit of an affinity for Accounting, go for that

[Planck's constant]

If you were planning to do Commerce at Uni, there is no problem. Accounting 100%
But it does not look as though you are planning to do Commerce, therefore your have a real choice.
There are some advantages in doing further, because you rate to get 45+ without a great deal of effort. As a previous poster suggested, Further could replace Methods in your Top 4, if Methods disappoints (I hope not).
But more importantly, the relatively easier workload will enable you to devote more time to other subjects, particularly English. English is mission critical and I believe that your target of 38 is conservative. You can do much better than that.

[brenden]

because you rate to get 45+ without a great deal of effort.

What'd you get in Further?
If you find it 'way more' interesting, definitely take Accounting. Even if you might have got a couple 'point fives' higher in your ATAR if you chose differently at least you'd be learning for fun instead of learning begrudgingly. I haven't taken Accounting but I can assure you that it is harder than Further Math. Further Math is possibly one of the most content-easy VCE subjects ever. (It's easy for everyone though)

[Art Vandelay]

because you rate to get 45+ without a great deal of effort.

What'd you get in Further?
If you find it 'way more' interesting, definitely take Accounting. Even if you might have got a couple 'point fives' higher in your ATAR if you chose differently at least you'd be learning for fun instead of learning begrudgingly. I haven't taken Accounting but I can assure you that it is harder than Further Math. Further Math is possibly one of the most content-easy VCE subjects ever. (It's easy for everyone though)

Yep, at the higher end of the spectrum, most students know all the course, but lose marks on small mistakes, because of nerves and whatnot. I think even a 45+ for a strong maths students still requires a great deal of practice, by doing copious amounts of past exams!

[Planck's constant]

I agree, but I was talking about the relative effort required to reach the 45+ level in Further. Here we are talking about a student who has completed Methods in Year 11 ( likely 43), and plans to do Specialist in Year 12 and rates himself a 41.
For such a student, a module like matrices will appear easy. He is already at a higher level with matrix theory and Markov Chains under his belt. Similarly with Geometry & Trig. Sine rule, Cosine rule, bearings, pythag, area of triangles etc wil appear 100% routine.
He will have to learn some new stuff such as Times series (smoothing and seasonal adjustment) or Networks (critical paths, row reduction techniques etc).
But overall this student is much better placed to achieve 45+ in Further than most.

[curry_bro]

I agree, but I was talking about the relative effort required to reach the 45+ level in Further. Here we are talking about a student who has completed Methods in Year 11 ( likely 43), and plans to do Specialist in Year 12 and rates himself a 41.
For such a student, a module like matrices will appear easy. He is already at a higher level with matrix theory and Markov Chains under his belt. Similarly with Geometry & Trig. Sine rule, Cosine rule, bearings, pythag, area of triangles etc wil appear 100% routine.
He will have to learn some new stuff such as Times series (smoothing and seasonal adjustment) or Networks (critical paths, row reduction techniques etc).
But overall this student is much better placed to achieve 45+ in Further than most.

this is true, but it is important not to underestimate further maths too much. 1 minor mistake may cost said student a 50. Perfection is required to do well in further. Also, being a great mathematician doesnt guarantee success in further maths. My family friend got the following scores in methods, spech and further.
Spec: 38 raw
Methods: 42 raw
Further: 38 raw (due to lack of study, as he didnt take it all that seriously. He was very disappointed when he got his results)

another friend of mine also did methods and further, and got the following:
Methods: 31 raw
further:49 raw

again, being good at spech or methods doesnt guarantee anything. it may help (minimally), but it doesnt secure a 45+

[Planck's constant]

I am not suggesting that he should neglect Further.
I was talking about relative effort for this particular student, with his particular background.
Perhaps I should make an attempt to quantify it.
How much effort would be required for this student to achieve 45 in Physics?
Approx 50% of that amount of effort would get him a 45 in Further.
Sounds fair?

[Mr Keshy]

I was in the situation as you. Further or Accounting. I felt I'd enjoy further more than accounting so I've gone with further maths. Trouble is, I'm doing all three in one year. I don't mind, but some say I'm insane.

If you do three, you just have to very well in your non maths subject. (Chem for me).

But to answer your question, definitely do what you would enjoy. Take a look at the study designs for both subjects and see if you'd find them interesting.

[sin0001]

Even though Furher is considered a relatively easy subject, I don't think I can devote enough time, to Further, to get 45+. I did both subjects in orientation last week, and I actually was thinking of sleeping through further, found it really boring. The only reason I started to consider doing 3 maths, is because I didnt do as well, in methods, as i would've liked to.
I was also thinking of doing both subjects, but I realised it would be better to take 4 subjects and just concentrate on them.

[curry_bro]

I am not suggesting that he should neglect Further.
I was talking about relative effort for this particular student, with his particular background.
Perhaps I should make an attempt to quantify it.
How much effort would be required for this student to achieve 45 in Physics?
Approx 50% of that amount of effort would get him a 45 in Further.
Sounds fair?

very fair but that 50% is still alot One does not simply wing further and then do well.
*I know that this is not what you are implying at all, but i just want other readers to acknowledge the intense work required for a 45+ in further maths*

[HighLatency]

Further is extremely easy to understand but you want to work through as many questions as your want to prepare yourself for the exams.
I reckon you can easily finish the entire course within the holidays and just consistently do questions throughout the rest of the year which won't take much of your time and I can guarantee you can easily get over 40 ss. The difference in knowledge base between a 40 student and a 50 student is minute, you just have to be careful with how you answer questions because every mark you lose can significantly impact your ss.