Rape victim dies

[pi]

Look, what I honestly believe is that in this particular scenario, each person should be given somewhere around 25 years in jail. I was using this method of punishment as an example of an alternative way of punishing people. It might seem "soft" in your eyes, and maybe it is, but it's a lot better than giving someone the death penalty, which is the main thing I am trying to argue against.

I've always considered a rapist to be a rapist? One guy or 3 guys or more guys. It doesn't matter, each is a rapist and each is the lowest-of-the-low and deserves to be punished as so. If they commit more rapes, punish them even more. I think that's how the system works now and I agree with that.

The "10 people raping someone once should get 1/10th the sentence" is really wrong... Like, extremely wrong on so many levels... Rape is rape.

[enwiabe]

Do you get a free rape after the 5th one, S@S? It's linear and transitive, right?

Think of how absurd and disgusting what you have written is. Each of those people contributed to the utter traumatisation of that girl. They should each be treated with the same punishment as one rapist. They all intended to do the same thing.

Nobody is in a position to judge the severity of a rape. Different people react to trauma differently. You'll find some remarkable cases of girls who have been raped consistently for 5 years and get over it with relative ease.

You'll find the majority of girls will be severely traumatised for the rest of their lives by any sexual assault.

We should not be handing out punishments based on individual reactions or it would vary from case to case even for the same crime. Would we hold up the example of the survivor who brushes it off without a second thought? When many suffer daily with the pain? Should we say that because she barely suffered that her attacker should not be punished? Or should we acknowledge that the action itself has such capacity to do such extraordinary harm that unilateral punishment is required wherever it surfaces.

Intent is what should be punished. These 5 people each intended to rape this girl, so they should all be equally tried for rape. There's really no logical argument here. The sentiment is disgusting that because there were more people they should share lesser punishments. How callous.

[Mr Keshy]

Look, what I honestly believe is that in this particular scenario, each person should be given somewhere around 25 years in jail. I was using this method of punishment as an example of an alternative way of punishing people. It might seem "soft" in your eyes, and maybe it is, but it's a lot better than giving someone the death penalty, which is the main thing I am trying to argue against.

What happens after 25 years? You'll simply let them out again?

[Russ]

That's the basis of the prison system, yeah.

I'd also disagree that intent can be equated with action but I'm happy to let that lie for now

[enwiabe]

That's the basis of the prison system, yeah.

I'd also disagree that intent can be equated with action but I'm happy to let that lie for now

Yeah I agree that I have conflated those two. It's not a sound argument from that perspective, it's more to address the ridiculousness of dividing punishments because it was 5 instead of 1.

[thushan]

What happens after 25 years? You'll simply let them out again?

Mm. Life imprisonment is the go here.

Having said that, I get the feeling these people will be tortured and killed in prison.

[Mr Keshy]

Mm. Life imprisonment is the go here.

Having said that, I get the feeling these people will be tortured and killed in prison.

I think they'd be tortured as soon as they're let out. With all the publicity this has gotten back there, everyone will know the rapists and as soon as they're seen.. I think they'll get attacked.

[Planck's constant]

Interesting story on the front page of The Age today.

[Mr Keshy]

http://www.theage.com.au/world/indian-rape-victims-boyfriend-speaks-out-20130105-2c9kv.html

http://www.theage.com.au/world/rape-prompts-change-in-sex-crime-laws-20130105-2c9mi.html

Both interesting reads

[thushan]

Quote someone I know: "They should cut their [penis and testicles] in public and let them bleed until they die"

[Planck's constant]

The article which appears on the front page of The Age today is about honour killings in some Indian regions.
I dont think that such an article would normally make front page, but the current incident has made the problems faced by women in that society very topical.

[Mr Keshy]

Quote someone I know: "They should cut their [penis and testicles] in public and let them bleed until they die"

I actually remember someone saying that they should be put to jail and have their genitalia removed from their body.

[sin0001]

It's not about the rape, it's about the murder. I can understand what you're saying about gang raping them, but I'm more referring to the murder aspect of it. Besides, she died almost immediately after being raped, so it's not like she had to live with the pain of being gang raped. I think that in this case, the crime of murder basically overrides the crime of rape, so we should charge them for murder instead.

And yes, if 1000 people all murdered 1 person together, I don't think that all 1000 people should get life imprisonment. After all, they could have murdered another 999 people and still got the same punishment. We don't want to put people in a situation where they say to themselves "I've committed one crime and I'm about to get the death penalty, so I might as well just go on a murdering rampage, since the punishment is going to be the same for me regardless". That is why the punishments need to be more appropriate. I mean, as long as they are spending some time in jail + given a criminal record which will basically ruin their future, then that's enough.

For your info., I'm pretty sure that she DID not die almost immediately after, in fact, she was hospitalized and she stayed there for at least a couple of days, struggling to even digest anything as her esophagus & intestines were torn apart... 

[Mr Keshy]

For your info., I'm pretty sure that she DID not die almost immediately after, in fact, she was hospitalized and she stayed there for at least a couple of days, struggling to even digest anything as her esophagus & intestines were torn apart...

Yep she was flown to Singapore...

[Biceps]

It's sad that this outrage doesn't happen about all rapes and murders.
This is a daily occurance in the world.