Classes are clashing

[julie9300]

So I haven't officially enrolled into Japanese units ATS2143 and ATS2144 yet (still need to visit the arts faculty to get this sorted out), but I was using the MUTTs before and noticed that the only lecture available for ATS2143 (held on Mondays) clashes with MTH1020 lectures (held mon, tues, wed), both held at the same time. Will this get fixed when I submit in my preferred timetable?

Or should I just choose another first-year unit sequence from arts and wait to start the Japanese next year (planning to major in Japanese by the way)? Although I'm a bit worried about doing it this way cause I might forget a lot of Japanese over a year. At the moment I've chosen to do CHM1011, BIO1011, MTH1020, and ATS2143 in first semester.

Also, do classes tend to start and end on time? A few of my lectures, tutorials, etc. are immediately after each other and I'd prefer not to show up late to the next class.

[WonderBunny]

Don't worry if lectures clash. Attendance is not compulsory, and, as long as the lectures are recorded, you can catch up at home.

All classes start 5 minutes after the scheduled start time and finish 5 minutes early. An hour long class is actually 50 minutes. There should be enough time to get to your next class.

[BigAl]

Don't worry if lectures clash. Attendance is not compulsory...

What do you mean by that? Isn't it like VCE where you have to attend 90% of your classes..or any other percentage?

[b^3]

What do you mean by that? Isn't it like VCE where you have to attend 90% of your classes..or any other percentage?

Technically you don't have to show up to much at all, but if you want to pass then somethings have a hurdle requirement (some labs e.t.c). Labs normally carry marks and some tutes will (not all but some). Lectures aren't compulsory, you can just watch them at hom and such, unless they're not recorded (like my first sem intro to aero wasn't recorded).

[julie9300]

Don't worry if lectures clash. Attendance is not compulsory, and, as long as the lectures are recorded, you can catch up at home.

Are there still cases where they will change the time that those classes are held if they clash? Just worried that one of the lectures won't be recorded, and I'd just rather show up to the lecture in person.

[WonderBunny]

They do not change class times to avoid clashes. The timetables are worked out well in advance. If a student's lectures clash, that is the student's problem.

[Fyrefly]

What do you mean by that? Isn't it like VCE where you have to attend 90% of your classes..or any other percentage?

I'll say that for Japanese attendance in lectures is MARKED. Japanese is the exception to the rule in this regard; usually lecture attendance is not marked. All Arts units have a 75% attendance requirement, but I don't know if lectures are counted as part of this attendance for Japanese.

I think you should attend the Japanese lecture and watch the maths lecture online afterwards, unless there's something about the maths lecture that precludes this option.


This is a little beside the point, but why have you enrolled in ATS2143 and ATS2144?
1. That's a level two unit code, but you're in first year. You need to check whether this will affect your intention to major in Jap.
2. For those students that did VCE Jap, it's normal to start at a higher level than what you've enrolled in.
I would suggest the most appropriate Japanese unit for you this semester would be ATS1145.

[julie9300]

I'll say that for Japanese attendance in lectures is MARKED. Japanese is the exception to the rule in this regard; usually lecture attendance is not marked. All Arts units have a 75% attendance requirement, but I don't know if lectures are counted as part of this attendance for Japanese.

I think you should attend the Japanese lecture and watch the maths lecture online afterwards, unless there's something about the maths lecture that precludes this option.

This is a little beside the point, but why have you enrolled in ATS2143 and ATS2144?
1. That's a level two unit code, but you're in first year. You need to check whether this will affect your intention to major in Jap.
2. For those students that did VCE Jap, it's normal to start at a higher level than what you've enrolled in.
I would suggest the most appropriate Japanese unit for you this semester would be ATS1145.

I checked on the monash website which said to do ATS2143 if I've done VCE Japanese. I also did the placement test which recommended that I do ATS2144, and emailed the coordinator for Japanese who also said I should study ATS2143. The only problem that I'm having now is enrolling for it online as I keep getting a warning (although apparently I should be able to enroll for it after the information session).

[Furbob]

I checked on the monash website which said to do ATS2143 if I've done VCE Japanese. I also did the placement test which recommended that I do ATS2144, and emailed the coordinator for Japanese who also said I should study ATS2143. The only problem that I'm having now is enrolling for it online as I keep getting a warning (although apparently I should be able to enroll for it after the information session).

Go to your managing faculty and explain the situation and they will hand you a unit amendment form so you can get your Japanese units in

...which you need to run to the arts faculty to get a stamp of approval. I was legit lost finding it not knowing it was 1 level below my feet

this happened to me when WES couldn't recognize that I did MUEP Japanese and it was eurghhhhh.

[julie9300]

Go to your managing faculty and explain the situation and they will hand you a unit amendment form so you can get your Japanese units in

...which you need to run to the arts faculty to get a stamp of approval. I was legit lost finding it not knowing it was 1 level below my feet

this happened to me when WES couldn't recognize that I did MUEP Japanese and it was eurghhhhh.

Yeah I was thinking of going tomorrow since that's when I have my course info session. Are the faculties always open? I thought they'd be closed over the holidays.

Edit: oh and can the forms be found online? if not, can the forms be found at any faculty? seems easier to just get it from the arts

[Furbob]

you need to go to the science faculty as that is your managing faculty.

Just say something along the lines of "hello, I am having trouble enrolling in WES for units blah and blah for Japanese after doing the placement test which said that I should be enroll that level"

here's the form (fill in section C btw, NOT B) but the form I received had copy paper attached underneath which you wont get from the printer... so they might make you fill in the form they hand you anyway

Summer semester is still on at Monash so I think the offices are open?

[julie9300]

ok thanks!

[Drunk]

Sorry for butting in, but just to confirm, we CAN make a clashing timetable, right?

[Fyrefly]

Sorry for butting in, but just to confirm, we CAN make a clashing timetable, right?

Sort of. You can put in whatever preferences you want, but Allocate+ is programmed in such a way that it tries its best to give you a timetable that doesn't clash. Even if that means giving you the shitty 8am tutes that no-one wants and spreading all your classes over 5 days.

[Muuru]

I'll say that for Japanese attendance in lectures is MARKED. Japanese is the exception to the rule in this regard; usually lecture attendance is not marked. All Arts units have a 75% attendance requirement, but I don't know if lectures are counted as part of this attendance for Japanese.

Yes, lecture attendance would be counted as part of the requirement in that case. And it's not just Japanese, actually; there are many Arts units at Monash where the lecturer keeps track of attendance, particularly in units with low enrollment numbers. I was enrolled in three such units when I did my BA.

It annoys the shit out of me when people here spread misinformation by saying that lecture attendance is never marked. Always attend your first lecture to make absolutely sure because the last thing you want is to fail a unit for not attending (and chances are they'll tell you when it's too late to rectify it).