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Is Julia gillard being targeted due to her gender?

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Is Julia gillard being targeted due to her gender?
« on: February 03, 2013, 01:47:11 am »
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Hi everyone! I just wanted to know everyone's view on the issue! So do you guys believe julia gillard is being targeted due to her gender? Provide reasons, if you can! :)

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Re: Is Julia gillard being targeted due to her gender?
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2013, 01:58:26 am »
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I'm going to move this to a more political board where I think you'll get more replies :)

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Re: Is Julia gillard being targeted due to her gender?
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2013, 02:08:12 am »
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I don't believe she's being 'targeted' for her gender. I'd say she's being targeted more for being an ineffective, dishonest leader of an ineffective, dishonest party.

Not that I particularly want Abbott heading up the LNP either...
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Re: Is Julia gillard being targeted due to her gender?
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2013, 02:16:43 am »
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They both have bad policies (I believe Abbott doesn't really have many given he just bashes everyone), but at least Gillard's government properly funds universities on a national level.
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Re: Is Julia gillard being targeted due to her gender?
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2013, 02:32:52 am »
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I just dislike her. Not because of her gender but because of her dishonesty, debauchery , backstabbing and for also creating a culture in which any legitimate criticism of a woman is now automatically misogyny. If she is bad at her job , she is bad at her job because of her actions not because of her gender. As well as creating a double-standard in Parliament where she can equate another leader of a party to a jack the ripper without any due criticism.
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Re: Is Julia gillard being targeted due to her gender?
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2013, 02:41:10 am »
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Certainly, she can't step outside without people looking at how she's dressed and having full radio commentaries etc discussing the way she looks. When was there ever mass media coverage on the suits Rudd, Howard et al were wearing? They got some cartoons with big eyebrows/ears, sure, but nothing on the same level. Dishonest maybe, but I wouldn't really called her ineffective.
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Re: Is Julia gillard being targeted due to her gender?
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2013, 08:27:21 am »
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As Brendinkles points out, we do have a lot of incessant commentary about her clothing or physical features. I don't think it's a huge issue though, people criticised Abbott for the speedo's and Howard for the eyebrows.

I don't think the fact that she's a woman will stop many people from voting for her though, which is the real measure of it. Despite the commentary on her looks, most of it is idle banter. In a culture where we see news like this about celebrities all the time, it is no surprise she cops this either.

In-fact, I’d wager being a woman has gotten her more votes than she otherwise would have gotten just by virtue of being a women. Obviously, it is more appealing to women voters in a political environment where they would like to see a female PM (indeed, the first female PM). It is not that much of a stretch to draw a parallel to Barrack Obama and the votes he may have gotten due to his poor background and race.

Some of the criticism though has been particularly vicious and vile. Sometimes, it is very overt calling her a "ranga cunt". Sometimes it isn't though. The other day i saw someone criticising her for crying at the press conference where she let go of Roxon but not crying over the floods. There is almost a disturbing trend of trying to dehumanise her and that cannot go anywhere good. She is upset about the floods as any other human being would be. Just because she remains strong for the people who suffer most and does not constantly bawl her eyes out on camera, it does not mean she doesn't feel deeply for them. Its stuff like this I’m more worried about.

She is an amazing and strong woman. Her government and the Labor Party have done a lot of good for the country. People seem to forget it was her government that successful steered us through the global financial crisis. We didn't slip into recession, we didn't stop growing. This is in stark contrast to almost every other first world nation out there that did. Look at the trouble afflicting most of Europe or the USA. It was the Labor government that successful steered us away from that. Most people don't even notice because things didn't get bad in the first place. It almost seems nothing was done but i can assure you, if we had worse management and slipped into recession, then, everyone would notice.

We are getting a world-class national broadband network under her. That kind of long-term vision is very rare in politics, most aim for policies that will get them votes in the short to medium term. This is a long-term nation-building project, something that can really benefit Australia. A project like this takes political balls.

Both parties now admit to climate change. The only difference is in the action they are going to take. Gillard’s plan is the much better one. Yes, we have a fixed tax for a few years but that isn't permanent. It will give way to a market based carbon trading scheme. A free market scheme, it almost sounds like something the liberals would love too if they didn't gain political clout for opposing it. Importantly, a carbon market means no extra taxes for consumers; it is all on the companies trading. Abbott’s previous plan involved spending a shitload of government money on a non-market solution. They'd essentially plant a lot of trees, pay businesses (with tax money) to reduce their pollution, etc. It is nowhere near a long-term solution for controlling emissions either.

So, the battle lines are drawn. Both parties have plans for reducing climate change. The only difference is one must be better than the other. As it stands right now, i can see clearly which one is.

They're not a tax and spend government either, they're not wasteful. Someone earning $30,000 is paying a full quarter (26%) less tax than 2007-2008. Someone earning $50,000 is paying 18% less. Even near the top of the scale, someone earning $80,000 is almost paying a tenth less (8%). Contrast this to Abbott's plan to splash on some seriously lavish programs and at the same time pledge to deeply cut taxes, i have no idea how he'll pull that off.
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Re: Is Julia gillard being targeted due to her gender?
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2013, 09:59:07 am »
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I don't know that this is a simple yes/no question. I think that in some cases the names she has been called and the criticism she has been given is highly sexist though (Anne Summers documented this really well: http://annesummers.com.au/speeches/her-rights-at-work-r-rated/ ). Gillard also received criticism that no man would ever receive. People are also nasty to her in other situations, but not particularly more nasty than what they would be to a male politician. Plus, whatever you think of her politics, Gillard is a tough lady! In question time she is really on fire, quick-witted, and authoritative.

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Re: Is Julia gillard being targeted due to her gender?
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2013, 10:48:48 am »
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Dammit, who puts the "no" option above the "yes" option in a poll? The tally is actually closer by 2, my bad.

Anyways, I don't see her being really "targeted". If anything, her rant about Abbott being a "misogynist" her using her gender to target others, so I think the ground is fairly even here.
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Re: Is Julia gillard being targeted due to her gender?
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2013, 02:00:41 pm »
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Dammit, who puts the "no" option above the "yes" option in a poll? The tally is actually closer by 2, my bad.

Anyways, I don't see her being really "targeted". If anything, her rant about Abbott being a "misogynist" her using her gender to target others, so I think the ground is fairly even here.

I wrote the poll at midnight, so I was quite sleepy.
If you don't like the order of it, feel free to not vote  :)

Personally, I believe that Juliar Gillard is not being criticized due to her gender. Julia Gillard is being criticized becasue  she is a Disloyal Dramaphilic Devil, who has nothing better to do and therefore is crying misogyny to hide her own political failure.
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Re: Is Julia gillard being targeted due to her gender?
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2013, 02:21:23 pm »
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What exactly are these "political failures" you speak of?
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Re: Is Julia gillard being targeted due to her gender?
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2013, 04:34:47 pm »
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What exactly are these "political failures" you speak of?
Not Representing democracy. Given that opinion polls clearly show that no body wants a carbon tax why did she persist in pushing it through? Why is she so unconcerned of the will of the people? Is this what democracy is? Where the Prime Minister ignores the voice of the citizens? Is this the type of women leader Alice Paul sacrificed her life for?Is this what Alice Paul fought for? julia Gillard or more like 'Juliar' has discredited the reputation of not only herself however also the women by portraying them to be so weak when they are in trouble they seek to "lie"?

The question isn't what are "these political failures" however rather, what has she done that is "politically correct"?

Crying misogyny? Its obvious that she is crying misogyny to obtain the support of the women! However I will not be falling for "lie" again.

Sorry, I sound quite aggressive! Actually to be precise I am doing my English Oral presentation speech on this topic so that's why im so pumped hehe  ;D.

I understand that she is getting criticized a lot, however like the person said above this is becasue of her wrong actions not gender.
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Re: Is Julia gillard being targeted due to her gender?
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2013, 04:50:57 pm »
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I'm not exactly a big fan of gillard, but I think you need to do some more research before you make that presentation

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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2013, 04:55:02 pm »
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I'm not exactly a big fan of gillard, but I think you need to do some more research before you make that presentation

Hahah, well the presentation is around the corner and Im fairly happy with my points.
Thanks for the suggestion though  :)

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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2013, 05:00:48 pm »
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I agree. You really need to do some actual research if you want to do well on that oral, and by research I don't mean reading a few news articles from The Australian.

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Given that opinion polls clearly show that no body wants a carbon tax why did she persist in pushing it through?

*cough John Howard cough GST cough*

We have international obligations to do something about global warming. And we are most definitely not the only country in the world to have a system like this in place.

Not to mention recent polls show that most businesses experienced little to no negative effects from the scheme.

And if you want to pull out the poll matter, have a look at the most recent ones. They are showing increasing support for the scheme. Do some research.

Also, it's called the carbon pricing scheme because it is not a tax. DO SOME RESEARCH.

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The question isn't what are "these political failures" however rather, what has she done that is "politically correct"?

Hmmm let's see. Nothing much, only took Australia through the GFC almost unscathed, leaving us one of the strongest economies in the world, with one of the lowest unemployment rates and consistently excellent ratings from international economic bodies such as the IMF.

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Crying misogyny? Its obvious that she is crying misogyny to obtain the support of the women! However I will not be falling for "lie" again.

It is most definitely misogyny to have her fashion and hair choices criticised when no other Prime Minister has undergone that type of scrutiny.

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Hahah, well the presentation is around the corner and Im fairly happy with my points.

Honestly, I can't actually see any points. I hope you have more than just "carbon tax [sic] bad!!!!"
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