Is Julia gillard being targeted due to her gender?

[sabii]

I agree. You really need to do some actual research if you want to do well on that oral, and by research I don't mean reading a few news articles from The Australian.

*cough John Howard cough GST cough*

We have international obligations to do something about global warming. And we are most definitely not the only country in the world to have a system like this in place.

Not to mention recent polls show that most businesses experienced little to no negative effects from the scheme.

And if you want to pull out the poll matter, have a look at the most recent ones. They are showing increasing support for the scheme. Do some research.

Also, it's called the carbon pricing scheme because it is not a tax. DO SOME RESEARCH.

Hmmm let's see. Nothing much, only took Australia through the GFC almost unscathed, leaving us one of the strongest economies in the world, with one of the lowest unemployment rates and consistently excellent ratings from international economic bodies such as the IMF.

It is most definitely misogyny to have her fashion and hair choices criticised when no other Prime Minister has undergone that type of scrutiny.

Honestly, I can't actually see any points. I hope you have more than just "carbon tax [sic] bad!!!!"

Hahah well lets just say atm I have too much homework for this.
That was probably a minor of a point out of the whole presentation.
And yes, I have done my research however my job is to persuade the audience
to be on my side and if I want to do that I dont have to be correct.
Oral presentation is not about giving facts only- its also about persuade
and if I am able to do that, I no doubt will perform well. Its like quotes,
they don't necessarily have to be agree with your point but if you can use it to make it look
like it is, than it sounds Great!

Also about the misogyny point- Every PM is picked on.
So is the opposition leader Tony Abbott- people say he resembles a monkey.
It said too often that it now sounds like a fact and not an opinion!!!!!!

Anyways, nice debating! I just wanted to see everyone's view which I have now seen!
My teachers would definately disagree! However, like you managed to use facts to argue your
point I will be doing the same!! Only difference is we will be arguing different points.

Also if we could stay on topic that would be Awesome. The topic is "Is Julia Gillard being targeted due to her gender?" if you disagree feel free to write why, but don't be criticizing other peoples view and "presentations" when you are on partially aware of what they know.


Please stay on topic.

[Russ]

And yes, I have done my research however my job is to persuade the audience
to be on my side and if I want to do that I dont have to be correct.

oh my god, the irony

[sabii]

oh my god, the irony

I wouldn't say its irony but rather misinterpretation. By that I did not mean i am incorrect! However thanks for letting me know that some people will be misinterpretting! I will fix it

[Hancock]

Did our posts just do his homework?

[Eriny]

Sabii, are you a troll?

I very much like the idea of ruling a nation based on opinion polling alone. We'd change leaders practically every three months and we would never have consistent policies. Really, I'd love to see it happen. Just give me enough time to move overseas first.

[brenden]

My teachers would definately disagree!

Ten bucks says private school.

[Professor Polonsky]

Not Representing democracy. Given that opinion polls clearly show that no body wants a carbon tax why did she persist in pushing it through? Why is she so unconcerned of the will of the people? Is this what democracy is?

Well, ironically enough, it is called representative democracy...

Whether or not she's being targeted due to her gender, she's certainly being targeted and vilified. The ALP since 2007 has been extremely productive. Its reforms and new initiatives will shape Australia for decades to come. Even if the Coalition does win the next election, this Government has sure carved out a great legacy for itself. In 10 years, no one will remember "Juliar" - rather, they will be enjoying world-class Internet service, power sourced from renewables, better schools, better health services, etc etc.

What I find extremely funny is the hypocrites who on one hand criticise her for implementing carbon pricing despite the opposition to it, and then also criticise her for flip-flopping on asylum seekers to move to a position supported by the majority. Whatever the PM does, the same people will criticise her for it.

[jazza97]

Abbott gets labelled as 'too blokey' all the time.  Rudd and Howard were mocked in the media all the time for their appearance.  Why should Gillard be treated any differently?  Its absolutely pathetic that Gillard uses her gender as leverage, as an excuse, as a way out.  Put simply, she has not delivered on her promises and the amount of spending is ridiculous.  Remember, the Howard Government left office with money in the bank!

She has been hiding behind her gender for too long and she will be annihilated at this election-although i believe there will be a very late push of votes towards her simply because people will be scared to form a new government. By the way, her misogyny speech was the biggest load of shit...was more misandry (hatred against a man) than Abbott has been to her during the whole course of her reign.

[Eriny]

How was the speech misandric?

[sabii]

How was the speech misandric?

How is Tony Abbott a misogynist?

[ninwa]

What does that have to do with anything? (And what's the point of deleting your account straight after posting?)

[slothpomba]

Put simply, she has not delivered on her promises and the amount of spending is ridiculous.

What promises are these? Keep in mind Abbott has been running a very hostile opposition by Australian standards as well. It's incredibly difficult to push things through. If Abbott was in her place, he'd have a very tough time passing things too.

The spending is what saved us. If we didn't provide all that economic stimulus, we could have slipped into recession. It's clear austerity doesn't work, indeed, some of the biggest problems we've see in the USA and europe are the result of not enough stimulus spending (or going in the totally opposite direction with austerity).

Remember, the Howard Government left office with money in the bank!

Yeah, it's not like there's been a major global financial crisis between then and now or anything...

[availn]

How was the speech misandric?

I don't think the speech was misandric, but calling Abbott out as a misogynist (I swear these words didn't exist a couple of years ago) was very wrong in my opinion. She didn't mention why he is a misogynist, and just kept throwing insult after insult at his face.

[sabii]

What does that have to do with anything? (And what's the point of deleting your account straight after posting?)

It does! This whole issue about Julia Gillard being targeted due to her gender is a direct result of the speech she gave in parliament arguing Tony Abbott is a misogynist. Now, because of her speech and false accusations she has successfully got a bundle of people to believe she is being targeted due to her gender not because she is a bad Prime Minster.

Because I don't want to get distracted. But I guess its still a distraction despite being deleted.

[sabii]

Also, she is contradicting herself! She is  crying misogyny and arguing that she is being 'targeted' yet she herself targeted Tony Abbott. The speech Julia Gillard gave you must admit was a full attack on Tony Abbott! I mean what was the purpose of saying "and now he is looking at his watch becasue apparently a women has spoken for too long". It's weird how everyone is saying that Julia Gillard is being targeted because she is a girl but no one is acknowledging the fact that she has herself made Tony Abbott a target of her self-made claims that are not supported by any legitimate fact. 

How is she getting targeted due to her gender? Because media talk about her "clothing" and her "face"- well from the last time I stepped out of the house the world was full of judgmental people. Everyone is judged by their appearance despite whether they are a female or male, that's just how life is. Nasty but that's how it is. Girls and boys always get judged at school becasue of their appearance. Girls 'bitch' at school about other girls whether its about the way they are dressed, their appearance or personality. Same goes for guys!!! Thats life- you will be judged.

Just like that so is Julia Gillard judged about her dressing sense and looks- why is she given special treatment? I mean so was john Howard criticized about his eye brows is that not misandrist?

Its irritating to think that she is actually getting away with this false claim.
This is just as worse as the claims people make at school: "is it becasue im black?" "is it because im Muslim?" "Is it becasue im Indian?" "Is it becasue im a fob?" "Is it because im Asian?"....."Is it because im a girl?". NO! Its not becasue of that, and everyone knows that!! There are legitimate reasons as to why some people dislike others, and that reason is most definitely not one of the above stereotypes.

So than why? Why is she targeted?

Little but yes, one of the largest reasons according to opinion polls is because she lied.
And yes so did John Howard, and im sure many people disliked him for that- However in John Howards case, his criticism was not questioned!! No one said "oh his being targeted becasue he is a boy" why? ummm because they know thats a very poor excuse!
So now when Julia Gillard is being targeted for the exact same reasons, why should we support such a poor excuse? Because I'm a girl? Really? I thought she would do better than that!