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What subjects should i do?

Further Maths and Business
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Help with Vce subjects?!??!?!
« on: March 28, 2013, 08:52:05 pm »
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Hi All,

I will be doing my VCE next year (year 11) and i needed some help with selecting my subjects.

I have defiantly locked in these subjects and still have 3 more to choose.
-English
-Chemistry
- Math Methods

Ok so i want to do a double degree for engineering and commerce and i was wondering what subjects would suit me most.

I want to do a business subject and am tossing between Business Management and Accounting. I like both aspects of each subject but the thing i dont like is the scaling down of BM. so if you could help with this, this would be great.

next i dont know whether to do physics. I love maths and i enjoy doing it and would say around the top end of my maths class.

Finally i dont know whether to do spec maths or further. The thing i have come up with is that it is easier to get a 45 in further with less stress and more ease then to struggle and put alot of my time into spec for a 32-33 which scales to 45ish. So i dont know what would help most.??

If you could please help, it would be amazing!!! :)

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« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2013, 11:01:36 pm »
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Here's my opinion:
- First of all, I think you should choose Further over Specialist Maths if you're already doing methods for three reasons.
1. The workload from all chemistry, specialist and methods will be very, very, very overwhelming..
2. If you're that good at maths, you should have no issues scoring 45-50 in further. --- However, if you feel as if you can score a 33+ raw in specialist then you may want to pick up specialist. (You will need approx at least 65% in the exam and a decent rank)
3. You won't need to do specialist since methods already covers the mathematics prerequisite for Engineering

I really think it's up to you though..

- Personally.. I don't really enjoy business management, AT ALL. It involves so much theory plus all the SAC's and Exam are all written response tests, usually involving around... 6-10 lines to answer the question. Its also hard to get full marks sometimes because it's so subjective, you can be docked a mark or two by using a slightly incorrect term or not answering precisely enough.

I wish I had the chance to do Accounting really. I chose it but my school didn't offer it.
« Last Edit: March 28, 2013, 11:43:28 pm by lala1911 »

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Re: Help with Vce subjects?!??!?!
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2013, 11:42:01 pm »
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if you want to be forward thinking, spesh and accounting combo is definitely the way to go in terms of preparing yourself for uni (com/eng), further and BM will be absolutely useless

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« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2013, 11:59:27 pm »
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This is ATARNotes

Your first recommendation is always going to be spesh regardless of your interests

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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2013, 12:05:50 am »
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next i dont know whether to do physics.

Don't do it.

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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2013, 01:36:47 pm »
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If you want to do Engineering then I would strongly advise you do Specialist maths, I'm only in first year Aerospace engineering now (where the prerequisite was methods, English and a science), but I can tell you I would be struggling if I had not done specialist maths, or at least physics.

If you choose spec and chem, but don't do physics then you will find uni physics way way easier to pick up, than if you had not done spec. But VCE chem (From what I have heard) is harder and has more work load than VCE Physics - something to consider. Most engineering, however, is much more math/physics orientated than chem/maths (Unless you do chemical engineering - but you still need to be strong in physics), but VCE Physics is pretty lame and VCE Chem is pretty good (to be concise about it).

As for commerce, don't quote me on what I'm about to tell you, but from what I have heard from friends, doing anything in VCE related to commerce or business degrees - such as Accounting or bus man - it is pretty much a waste of time. Only in the sense that nearly all of the stuff in the VCE course is entirely covered in uni anyway and thus you could have done a subject which would be more beneficial such as spec or physics.

Further will be of no use to your degree, it will boar the shit out of you (in 99% of people who respect maths in some manor anyway), and..yeah don't do it :P

In summary I would recommend doing either one of the following options:
1 - Spec, English, Methods, Chem and Accounting
2 - Spec, English, Methods, Physics and Accounting, or if what I said about accounting was true and you feel confident in your study ethic;
3 - Spec, English, Methods, Chem and Physics.

That's what I think would be most beneficial to you given what you want to study, but if you think that would be to much work then perhaps consider:
5 - Further, English, Methods, Chem and Accounting (If you want to do Chem Engineering)
6 - Further, English, Methods, Physics and Accounting
2011:|Further Math (34)|
2012:|Methods CAS (35)|Physics (38)|Specialist Math (35)|English (33)|
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HELP CHOOSING VCE SUBJECTS!!!
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2013, 02:27:51 pm »
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Hi All,

I will be doing my year 11 VCE next year and i needed some help with selecting my subjects.

so far i have locked in these 3 subjects and wont be changing them.
-English
-Chemistry
- Math Methods

So after i finish my year 12 i want to do engineering and commerce at monash and i was wondering what subjects would be most beneficial to me when i do the course.

I want to do a business subject and am tossing between Business Management and Accounting. I like both aspects of each subject but the thing i dont like is the scaling down of BM, as it gets scaled down quite a bit. But as for accounting i am happy with the scaling but i don't know about the workload etc.. many of my mates say that it is a killer of a subject and in year 12 it will work you so hard till a complete holt. so if you could help with this, this would be great.

Next.. i dont know whether to do physics or not. I enjoy doing maths and am at the top end of my class but i dont know about the workload in VCE physics. I also am not sure whether it would be beneficial for me in UNI.

Finally i dont know whether to do spec maths or further. The thing i have come up with is that it is easier to get a 45 in further with less stress and more ease then to struggle and put alot of my time into spec for a 32-33 which scales to 45ish. Although i know that spec will help me in alot in uni is worth the time and effort. Will i be behind in UNI or whats the case?
I know i will get a 40+ easy in further maybe even a 45+ because i have seen the workbook and only being in year 10 this year i could probably do the workbook without any teacher. but the thing is that spec may be to hard etc..
Could you give me the pros and cons on this and what i should choose. As well as taking into consideration the workload of all my subjects. Methods,Chem,physics/spec.

So in conclusion what subjects should i go with -
English, Methods, Chemistry, Physics, Spec/further, Accounting/Business M
English, Methods, Chemistry, Physics/Spec, further, Accounting/ Business M
or even..
English, Methods, Chemistry, Physics/further, Spec, Accounting/Business M (maybe too much workload)


If you could please help, it would be amazing!!! :)

Thanks alot guys :D

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Re: Help with Vce subjects?!??!?!
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2013, 02:41:43 pm »
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Will you be doing a 3/4 subject next year? If not, would you still be doing six in Year 12? Just something to consider.

I wouldn't worry about the scaling down of BM. The general consensus (and VTAC recommendation) is not to factor it in into your subject selection, as the system is designed to be fair to everyone regardless of subject selection. What I would worry about though is whether you'd enjoy BM at all, as it is very different from your other subjects - both in terms of content and learning method. A lot of people I know who did Accounting in Year 11 seemed to have absolutely hated it, but that doesn't really say much about the subject. As others have mentioned though, doing a business-related subject won't help you too much with your university course.

Do spesh. Basically everyone I know who's doing an engineering degree gives this advice. You could do Further as well (potentially next year?) but keep in mind the two-maths-in-top-4 rule. And that Further should be piss easy for you - which is both a good and a bad thing. If you're the type of person prone to silly mistakes, that might especially hurt your chances. The spesh workload isn't even that bad.

Physics is alright, but the maths in it is pretty simple. Doing it might help you with eng.

EDIT: Just saw your new post. Basically, you want to select two of Further/Spesh/Physics, as well as one of Accounting/BM. In terms of your degree, spesh and physics will help most. Otherwise, just choose what you enjoy.
« Last Edit: March 29, 2013, 02:44:19 pm by Polonius »

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Re: Help with Vce subjects?!??!?!
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2013, 03:27:16 pm »
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As far as I remember, MHS (looking at what school you have on your profile) doesn't let their students do Methods, Spesh and Further. So those options are not viable.

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« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2013, 08:40:14 pm »
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As far as I remember, MHS (looking at what school you have on your profile) doesn't let their students do Methods, Spesh and Further. So those options are not viable.

why is that. My maths teacher said it was possible...

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« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2013, 08:47:11 pm »
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why is that. My maths teacher said it was possible...

It's possible they have changed it since I graduated, but back in my day (2010-11) students couldn't do both Further and Spesh in the same year and Further wasn't offered to year 11s.

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« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2013, 08:48:39 pm »
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It's possible they have changed it since I graduated, but back in my day (2010-11) students couldn't do both Further and Spesh in the same year and Further wasn't offered to year 11s.

thats sucks haha :(. YEAP now we can do that.
Im planning to do further in year 11 and meth,spec in year 12.

Do you know why they didnt offer it to year 11s?

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« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2013, 09:12:15 pm »
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Do you know why they didnt offer it to year 11s?

Not entirely sure, but I think it's a good move to offer it to yr11s haha :)

Good luck with it!

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« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2013, 09:13:35 pm »
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Not entirely sure, but I think it's a good move to offer it to yr11s haha :)

Good luck with it!

cheers man :)

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« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2013, 09:37:46 pm »
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you're only in year 10, you should be taking some time to do other things like a sport or debating or something too, you go to melbourne high, its about more than just marks