Gillard vs Rudd

[pi]

Busy calling all the people I had bets with over the ALP leadership to cash in

*Looks at Nina*

[Russ]

Oh there were others, I went deep on that bet haha

[Jezza]

Rudd's back, but I can't see much changing. It might make the upcoming election more interesting, but Abbott should win comfortably provided he outlines the reasons why Rudd returning undermines the Australian people and the Labor Party itself and he outlines his policies clearly and concisely.

Rudd has a lot of work to do regain trust from the Australian people and frankly I can't see them falling for his charismatic nature again after the disastrous first term.

[enwiabe]

outlines his policies clearly and concisely.

I would be shocked and amazed if this occurs. The Liberal party is devoid of any policy creativity. They've been doing nought but pander to latent Australian sexism for quite some time. Well, they got what they wanted, but 90 days too early. Rudd's PM now and they'll have an extremely difficult time smearing him the way they were able to with Gillard.

I am disgusted by the behaviour of the entire Australian public and the frenzy surrounding Julia Gillard. Truly reveals to me how backward we are. I just hope Labor gets in, because I want Australia to have a technological future rather than be a pack of disgraceful luddites. Abbott will scrap Carbon Tax and NBN, two key pieces to Australia's future, all to sate his small-minded ignorance. That's the real disgrace.

[Jezza]

We can only hope that Labor is gone by the time the election is concluded. I'm sick of them and their inept policies.

Yeah the Carbon Tax is wonderful in redistributing wealth and should be existent in the future...NOT. What about the union corruption that has been existent within the party, yet no one has bothered to question it, and this idea of playing the gender card by Julia Gillard is a disgrace. She was a terrible leader and her gender is irrelevant as to why people reach that conclusion.

Abbott's not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but people are falling for the media propaganda and scare-mongering tactics towards him.

[Shenz0r]

I don't mind who's leader as long as it's not Abbott.

Can't help but admire Gillard's tenacity for these three years though. She was always going to be fighting an uphill battle since the last election, but she still got shit done.

[enwiabe]

We can only hope that Labor is gone by the time the election is concluded. I'm sick of them and their inept policies.

Yes, Australia is clearly far worse off than it was 3 years ago. Oh wait, our economy was recently given its strongest rating in recorded history, and a large consensus of economists agree that KRudd and JGill's Labor handled the GFC with aplomb. So inept!

Yeah the Carbon Tax is wonderful in redistributing wealth and should be existent in the future...NOT. What about the union corruption that has been existent within the party, yet no one has bothered to question it, and this idea of playing the gender card by Julia Gillard is a disgrace. She was a terrible leader and her gender is irrelevant as to why people reach that conclusion.

If your arguments consist of "...NOT" how are we expected to take them seriously? Do you even know how the carbon tax works? Do you know where the money goes? Do you even believe in global warming?

Re: "the gender card". You only have to take a lovely cross-section of twitter to see all the "you bitch!" and "you witch!" comments. Not to mention all the various slogans on posters at liberal rallies. The evidence for it is mountainous.

Abbott's not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but people are falling for the media propaganda and scare-mongering tactics towards him.

What scare-mongering? The media is going soft as balls on him because he's shirking them. They're playing soft-ball with him to try and get him to answer a real interview. He has avoided QandA like the plague because he knows he'll make another gaffe. If you can link me to one such "propaganda" piece, I'll be amazed.

Name me one good Abbott policy. Flesh it out in detail for me. Just one.

[brenden]

I'm a bit disappointed the public opinion encouraged the Labor MPs to vote for Rudd. It's as if we're back in our fourth year of primary school voting for 'Class Captain' and the most charismatic person gets in. Oh well, hopefully this gives Labor a better chance.

[Jezza]

Yes, Australia is clearly far worse off than it was 3 years ago. Oh wait, our economy was recently given its strongest rating in recorded history, and a large consensus of economists agree that KRudd and JGill's Labor handled the GFC with aplomb. So inept!

If your arguments consist of "...NOT" how are we expected to take them seriously? Do you even know how the carbon tax works? Do you know where the money goes? Do you even believe in global warming?

Re: "the gender card". You only have to take a lovely cross-section of twitter to see all the "you bitch!" and "you witch!" comments. Not to mention all the various slogans on posters at liberal rallies. The evidence for it is mountainous.

What scare-mongering? The media is going soft as balls on him because he's shirking them. They're playing soft-ball with him to try and get him to answer a real interview. He has avoided QandA like the plague because he knows he'll make another gaffe. If you can link me to one such "propaganda" piece, I'll be amazed.

Name me one good Abbott policy. Flesh it out in detail for me. Just one.

1). We may have a good economy compared to some of those around the world, especially in European countries like Greece, Italy and Cyprus, but why are we not in surplus and it was reported that Gillard would leave a $165 billion dollar debt by the end of her term.
http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2013/03/27/1226607/356745-government-debt.jpg

2). Yes I know what the Carbon Tax is, but it doesn't necessarily mean it serves its purpose either. The tax is another excuse to redistribute wealth.

3). "The gender card" has been used by the former Prime Minster herself to gain a political advantage, but has backfired greatly. Give me the evidence that Abbott is a sexist and hates women. Last time I checked he had three daughters, a wife and his secretary was a women and the Deputy Opposition Leader for the Liberal Party is Julie Bishop. Yep so therefore Abbott clearly hates women so much that he led a blind runner in a Sydney Marathon to raise money for breast cancer nurses and he also cycled 1000km to donate $148,000 for women shelters'. Therefore I conclude that Tony Abbott is a sexist and a misogynist.     

4). Did you watch Kevin Rudd's leadership spill announcement at 5pm? He is appealing to fear and was carrying on like Abbott would bring back WorkChoices if elected PM, despite the fact that he's said he won't reintroduce the policy.

[ninwa]

It's not a carbon tax. It is a carbon pricing scheme and its primary purpose is not to redistribute wealth. I suggest that you actually have a read of what it is intended to do instead of just taking what The Australian tells you as the gospel truth.

It is most definitely sexism that drives the low ratings which led to this complete farce. How many other PMs (or even just Ministers) have been subject to such intense scrutiny over her makeup, wardrobe choices, her GLASSES (wtf, seriously) and her relationship status? Unfortunately, it appears that Australian society is still far from progressive.

I almost wish the Labor government would fall tomorrow, so that the people who think Abbott will save them can suffer through the next few years of a Coalition government as they deserve. You think Labor is mismanaging the economy? You aint seen nothin yet.

[ninwa]

1). We may have a good economy compared to some of those around the world, especially in European countries like Greece, Italy and Cyprus, but why are we not in surplus and it was reported that Gillard would leave a $165 billion dollar debt by the end of her term.
http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2013/03/27/1226607/356745-government-debt.jpg

2). Yes I know what the Carbon Tax is, but it doesn't necessarily mean it serves its purpose either. The tax is another excuse to redistribute wealth.

3). "The gender card" has been used by the former Prime Minster herself to gain a political advantage, but has backfired greatly. Give me the evidence that Abbott is a sexist and hates women. Last time I checked he had three daughters, a wife and his secretary was a women and the Deputy Opposition Leader for the Liberal Party is Julie Bishop. Yep so therefore Abbott clearly hates women so much that he led a blind runner in a Sydney Marathon to raise money for breast cancer nurses and he also cycled 1000km to donate $148,000 for women shelters'. Therefore I conclude that Tony Abbott is a sexist and a misogynist.     

4). Did you watch Kevin Rudd's leadership spill announcement at 5pm? He is appealing to fear and was carrying on like Abbott would bring back WorkChoices if elected PM, despite the fact that he's said he won't reintroduce the policy.

1) We have one of, if not THE, strongest economies in the developed world, according to the IMF and the OECD. You think these organisations didn't take the deficit into account? Sorry but I think I'll take their economic analysis over yours.

2) See above

3) He rejected the introduction of RU48, since "abortion is the easy way out". That is enough proof for me. I would name more, but I'm not a woman of calibre and I suppose I have no right to comment on such matters.

I wouldn't want to make him uncomfortable, since I am a woman, after all, and "men are by philosophy or temperament more adapted to exercise authority or to issue command"! (another of his lovely quotes)

edit: oh hey what about this wonderful rape apologist one! "this idea that sex is kind of a woman's right to absolutely withhold, just as the idea that sex is a man's right to demand I think they are both they both need to be moderated, so to speak."

4) So the only positive Coalition "policy" you can name is that he (allegedly) will not bring back WorkChoices? (PS oh wait what)

[Dejan]

Rudd ftw

[Inside Out]

The labour party is such a joke. I don't care of abbot wins anymore, anyone is better than those two. Julia scrapped my $2000/yr  start-up thing from centrelink so nope no thank youuuu.

[jazza97]

Of course JuLiar wasn't playing the gender card!

One moment she is thrashing the Opposition for their 'pre-historic attitudes' and the next she's posing for a magazine as a 1950s housewife, knitting for the royal baby, which she doesn't believe in.  What hypocrisy!

Gillard was not a pioneer for women...she was fake and hypocritical to achieve political power-do we forget when she said 'women who are married are like prostitutes'.  If you want to use Tony's Uni words, then JuLiar must cop the same.

The coalition are united and will win the election-by even more-they will play this right and the public will have no choice but to completely abandon the ALP and the toxic, union wasteland that they inhabit.

The coalition haven't announced many policies yet because its not the time and place whilst parliament is sitting, their is the leadership chaos and the election is still some 80 days away.  When parliament rise, you will more policies announces and when the election is over, you will see them delivered by over 15 ministers who previously served under the Howard Government-the best years in Australia's history.

People on this forum are vain, proud and disillusioned-they can not explain why they support a dysfunctional party who have screwed up almost every policy they implemented-even the halls for schools program where schools were hugely ripped off by contractors and the list goes on...

They can not explain why they support a party who lied, particularly with regard to the budget, the carbon tax and the boats.

One last point that truly confirms to me that JuLiar should be as ashamed as Gough Whitlam was.  She listed last night the Carbon Tax as one of her proudest achievements-even though she promised there would be no carbon tax and that her position changed only because of a minority government she had even stating this position in recent days during question time.  Her remark shows that she was always going to implement a Carbon Tax and , whether or not you believe in it, it shows that she lied blatantly to the Australian Public for mere power.

[Russ]

One moment she is thrashing the Opposition for their 'pre-historic attitudes' and the next she's posing for a magazine as a 1950s housewife, knitting for the royal baby, which she doesn't believe in.  What hypocrisy!

This isn't hypocrisy..? I'm not sure you know what that means.

People on this forum are vain, proud and disillusioned-they can not explain why they support a dysfunctional party who have screwed up almost every policy they implemented-even the halls for schools program where schools were hugely ripped off by contractors and the list goes on...

They can not explain why they support a party who lied, particularly with regard to the budget, the carbon tax and the boats.

I dislike Gillard as much as anyone and agree that the ALP managed more than a few episodes of incompetence, but this is just hilarious. God forbid the budget keep the economy afloat or that we try to float disability reform. What's really important is that we thought we were getting a surplus and then we didn't.


Also, the next person to use the term "Juliar" in this thread is getting a posting warning, I can't fucking stand that term. You can call her by her name or office.