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Re: BEC'S methods questions
« Reply #120 on: February 12, 2008, 08:58:22 pm »
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firstly, this is a negative graph (sad face)
as there is a stationary point of inflection, the graph does not change direction except for its lone turning point, and (1,16) is between the two x-intercepts, hence it shoots up on the left, the down towards the right.


the point of inflection means that one of these roots will have to be cubed.

two possibilities:

possibility 1:

subbing in (1,16), we get:


expanding gives us



possibility 2:

subbing in (1,16), we get:


expanding gives us
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Re: BEC'S methods questions
« Reply #121 on: February 12, 2008, 09:15:28 pm »
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ahhhh thank you!
nicely explained, i completely get it now!

ok last one...
Do i need to be able to do these without a calculator for methods 3/4?
Sketch the graph with the equation:
a) y = x5-x4-2x3
b) y = x6-x2
c) y = x5+x4-3x3-3x2
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Re: BEC'S methods questions
« Reply #122 on: February 12, 2008, 09:16:51 pm »
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:P bec i type really slowly, and fix mistakes before i finally gives a post up

it's all fixed now, you probably got the first half-finished not done prototype! xD
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Re: BEC'S methods questions
« Reply #123 on: February 12, 2008, 09:58:38 pm »
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ok last one...
Do i need to be able to do these without a calculator for methods 3/4?
Sketch the graph with the equation:
a) y = x5-x4-2x3
b) y = x6-x2
c) y = x5+x4-3x3-3x2

Yes, you can be expected to draw them without a calculator. The method would be to factorise them and draw the x-intercepts first, find the y-intercepts, and use differentiation to find the turning points.

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Re: BEC'S methods questions
« Reply #124 on: February 13, 2008, 08:07:20 pm »
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ok...but my teacher keeps telling us that "we haven't done calculus" and therefore won't accept differentiation as a method. awesome.

but it's ok, i figured out how to do them without it - thanks anyway

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Re: BEC'S methods questions
« Reply #125 on: February 13, 2008, 08:22:37 pm »
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ahhhh thank you!
nicely explained, i completely get it now!

ok last one...
Do i need to be able to do these without a calculator for methods 3/4?
Sketch the graph with the equation:
a) y = x5-x4-2x3
b) y = x6-x2
c) y = x5+x4-3x3-3x2
i seriously dont think you'll be required to do these in exam one. They dont like going to anything more than , as not all equations in the 5th degree polynomails are solved yet (but i cant explain what or why)
it's good practice if you try to do a few of these questions, knowing extra wont hurt

and just btw, from the looks of these questions, you can easily factorise or , in which case it becomes significantly easier to draw.
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Re: BEC'S methods questions
« Reply #126 on: February 13, 2008, 08:23:36 pm »
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ok...but my teacher keeps telling us that "we haven't done calculus" and therefore won't accept differentiation as a method. awesome.

but it's ok, i figured out how to do them without it - thanks anyway

Well, you can do it with just the x-intercepts, but you won't have any idea where (coordinate-wise) the turning points are.

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Re: BEC'S methods questions
« Reply #127 on: February 22, 2008, 09:01:35 pm »
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you know those questions that are easy but however many times you try, you can't get them right?

3x + 2y = 2
4x + xy + y = 2

it's bugging me. can someone show their working for it?
thanks!

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Re: BEC'S methods questions
« Reply #128 on: February 22, 2008, 09:04:01 pm »
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What are you trying to do? Are they both related, or are they individual equations?

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Re: BEC'S methods questions
« Reply #129 on: February 22, 2008, 09:06:08 pm »
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sorry, minor details! it's a simultaneous eqn - solve for x and y

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Re: BEC'S methods questions
« Reply #130 on: February 22, 2008, 09:18:48 pm »
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Substitute into:







Use the quadratic formula:





Substitute these back into the first equation: to find the corresponding solutions:



Your two solutions (in coordinate form):





Just a note: remember that and are paired, so you've got to keep them together.

A joint effort by coblin and dcc :)
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Re: BEC'S methods questions
« Reply #131 on: February 22, 2008, 09:28:01 pm »
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thank you, to both of you! why do i always forget the quadratic equation? whyyy?

i just realised i'm almost up to page 10 on this thread...forget bringing in notes as my reference material, i'm just going to print this!

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Re: BEC'S methods questions
« Reply #132 on: February 23, 2008, 12:12:40 pm »
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this should help in remembering the quad. eqn:

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=H_7lNT9oDzI


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« Reply #133 on: February 23, 2008, 12:34:29 pm »
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this should help in remembering the quad. eqn:

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=H_7lNT9oDzI


hahahha that's the saddest thing i've seen in my life. i love it.

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Re: BEC'S methods questions
« Reply #134 on: February 24, 2008, 01:31:17 pm »
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ahhhh thank you!
nicely explained, i completely get it now!

ok last one...
Do i need to be able to do these without a calculator for methods 3/4?
Sketch the graph with the equation:
a) y = x5-x4-2x3
b) y = x6-x2
c) y = x5+x4-3x3-3x2

These are probably ridiculously hard addition of ordinates problems