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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #75 on: August 11, 2013, 07:52:45 pm »
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There's no audience rapport and no passion in it, and from that angle, and as an advocate for mental health, he is an uninspiring speaker. I quite enjoyed going to see him, but I still stand by the fact that he's as a speaker he is boring. The content of his speeches is interesting, and had me hooked, but I didn't walk out of the theatre really keen to do anything about what he said.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree here :)

Following his speech (and select others), I decided to get involved in a Community and Wellbeing subcommittee in my med soc and have now signed up to a Mental Health First Aid Course. Simply because I felt I wasn't doing enough and didn't understand things as well as I'd like :)

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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #76 on: August 11, 2013, 08:07:37 pm »
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree here :)

Following his speech (and select others), I decided to get involved in a Community and Wellbeing subcommittee in my med soc and have now signed up to a Mental Health First Aid Course. Simply because I felt I wasn't doing enough and didn't understand things as well as I'd like :)
With that though, you probably have a better appreciation of facts given that you're studying med (right?). Obviously in Universities he's very good. But it's the likes of Nathan Thompson and people like him who will have more effect in the broader community. Patrick has his role, and that is to speak in Universities, to do the fantastic research he is. My comments were really to highlight the sad situation we are, the fact that an academic like Patrick also seems to be heading the advocacy to the people. The proof is in the pudding really, there isn't much recognition among the general public, there isn't much of an emotional investment because we aren't emotionally invested in a broader symbol of mental health issues. It's sad that Patrick even has to try to be that.

By and large, I think we actually agree to be honest. I haven't exactly disagree with much, if anything, that you've said. He's just not a pure advocate. And he won't be. He belongs in the universities, on the ABC and so on and does a fantastic job there. To the majority of people though, they'll just be bored by him. Exactly why there needs to be a symbol, someone who has a harrowing story to tell, someone who connect with the people en masse.

Also credit to Patrick as well. For an academic, for a researcher and for someone who, in my opinion, can't communicate very well to emotions (as is required by him as a doctor, he is a man of facts), he has done an absolutely incredible job with those facts.

The Inconvenient Truth provides a fairly good comparison to be honest. The facts there had been flying around for years, but it wasn't until those facts were connected with powerful imagery and an emotional investment from Al Gore (he speaks in the film about his family and the effect of ignorance on various members) that people started to listen. Even with climate change, the most powerful statement is "we need to make sure that our children and our grandchildren have a world to live in". It's not the facts, it's not the graphs (though they are hugely important and add to it), but people will think first about things like that. Things that connect emotion to the topic. That's what mental health needs a bit of, and it's not going to come from a psychiatrist and nor should it. He's a fantastic man, who I admire a lot, but god I'd wish some more people would help him out.
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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #77 on: August 11, 2013, 08:10:58 pm »
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God, the little worm graph on the debate about what people "liked" really shat me up the wall; they weren't listening at all, they were just voting based on whose mug was on the screen!
Who won the debate? Didn't see the end.
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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #78 on: August 11, 2013, 08:20:44 pm »
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God, the little worm graph on the debate about what people "liked" really shat me up the wall; they weren't listening at all, they were just voting based on whose mug was on the screen!
Who won the debate? Didn't see the end.

I was watching ABC, it didn't have a worm? Ah well, not like it adds much hahahaha

I don't think there was a clear winner in the debate - in fact, I'd hesitate in calling it a "debate" per se; it seemed more of a policy presentation from both parties than a back-and-forth between Abbott and Rudd.
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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #79 on: August 11, 2013, 08:25:15 pm »
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Oh I was watching on 7Two. Explains the demented demographic (lel Brenden included).

Yeah it honestly seemed like "OMG KEVAN U GOTTA MENTION GST" and "OMG TONEE PLZ MENTION SILLY LABOR GOVT LEL"
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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #80 on: August 11, 2013, 08:29:09 pm »
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree here :)

Following his speech (and select others), I decided to get involved in a Community and Wellbeing subcommittee in my med soc and have now signed up to a Mental Health First Aid Course. Simply because I felt I wasn't doing enough and didn't understand things as well as I'd like :)

Wow that's really great.

Can I ask what sort of things your subcommittee do to raise awareness? I've been racking my brains.

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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #81 on: August 11, 2013, 08:32:06 pm »
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Yeah it honestly seemed like "OMG KEVAN U GOTTA MENTION GST" and "OMG TONEE PLZ MENTION SILLY LABOR GOVT LEL"

They both had a couple of pretty derp moments LOL

1. Tony Abbott answering his first question1

David Speers: "So what about [issue?]"

Abbott: "Lemme talk about this other thing. Sorry, what was that? Now back to this other thing."

2. Kevin Rudd and the GST1

David Speers: "So, Mr. Abbott, can you comment on the allegations that you will change the GST?"

Tony Abbott: "The GST isn't going to change."

Kevin Rudd: "BUT what about the GST???"



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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #82 on: August 11, 2013, 08:38:11 pm »
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Oh man I didn't know David Speers was gonna host it, I would have watched.
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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #83 on: August 11, 2013, 08:40:45 pm »
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Wow that's really great.

Can I ask what sort of things your subcommittee do to raise awareness? I've been racking my brains.

Thanks! :)

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We (on behalf of the C&W team haha) run a whole host of events, not just focused on mental health but also charity events (where we have a Med Team). For example:
- Stress down day
- Daffodil Day (something I'm involved in)
- Many fun-runs
- Surviving medicine (focused on student mental health)
- We have a publication for first years (something I'm involved in)
- World's Greatest Shave
- 40 hour famine
- R U OK day
etc.

A lot of the mental health focused days have either guest speakers with high profiles (attract the larger crowds) or are in combination with known events (such as R U OK day) where we spread the message more subtly :)

I guess it helps that we have a fairly interested cohort to aim our events at too :)
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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #84 on: August 11, 2013, 08:42:08 pm »
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God, the little worm graph on the debate about what people "liked" really shat me up the wall; they weren't listening at all, they were just voting based on whose mug was on the screen!
Who won the debate? Didn't see the end.

I was watching nine. It was a Rudd landslide according to their worm. Though Laurie Oakes (apparently the best voice of political judgment in the country) was almost wetting himself about how well Abbott apparently did...idiot.

On matter, I think Rudd probably did a better job. The key difference between the two was that Rudd actually had matter. I'm not entirely convinced that Abbott actually said anything at that debate. For an opposition leader, it wasn't particularly aspirational. Very bizarre! It's normally the opposition talking about its plans and its changes, whereas, Rudd certainly had a lot more to say on that front.
Both of them spoke fairly poorly. Rudd was far more jittery and nervous at the start, and lapsed into his usual "I'm so smart ways". Abbott was easier to follow, far easier to follow, but unbearably annoying. As per usual, there Tony was a great example of "more Ahs than a whorehouse".
Rudd was more structured overall. He seemed to have something to say, whereas Abbott was clutching at straws a lot oftener. Rudd certainly came across as the more decisive and stronger leader, but, he also made some stupid blunders that will cost him.

Rudd win easily, but not a huge win. Pretty boring overall.
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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #85 on: August 11, 2013, 09:45:30 pm »
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So apart from the proposal on same-sex marriage, not much news to be honest. That was disappointing.
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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #86 on: August 11, 2013, 09:50:44 pm »
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God, the little worm graph on the debate about what people "liked" really shat me up the wall; they weren't listening at all, they were just voting based on whose mug was on the screen!
Who won the debate? Didn't see the end.

On 7Two it was Abbott 68% and Rudd 32% IIRC, about 18000 voters.

The worm on nine was completely different to seven's.... was switching back and forth

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« Reply #87 on: August 12, 2013, 12:01:57 am »
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Channel GEM's worm was 59% Rudd and 41% Abbott.

Mr Rudd was very arrogant. When the bell sounded and was prompted to stop talking he wouldn't stop talking, he instead was saying "hold on". Wouldn't even answer the question.

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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #88 on: August 12, 2013, 06:51:09 am »
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Whereas Tony Abbott was completely straightforward and didn't obfuscate at all when he was asked questions?

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Re: Australian 2013 Federal Election Megathread
« Reply #89 on: August 12, 2013, 08:11:15 am »
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Whereas Tony Abbott was completely straightforward and didn't obfuscate at all when he was asked questions?

His answers didn't have much substance though...