Psychology 2014

[brenden]

Yeah I would agree. It'd depend on how many marks it were worth but it's worth noting that it's a natural cycle of sleep for an adult, as well as what's already been noted above. Also worth noting* the progression is NREM1, 2, 3, 4, 3, 2, REM (some portion of students will mistakenly believe that REM occurs after Stage 4 NREM, however, it makes sense to think that REM is closer to Stage 1 because of the beta-like waves that are similar to brain activity when we're awake)

*Probably not in your answer, but for the sake of learning on this thread.

[007]

NREM1, 2, 3, 4, 3, 2, REM

1, 2, 3, 4, 3, 2, 1, REM.

[Paulrus]

1, 2, 3, 4, 3, 2, 1, REM.

^iirc, it actually does skip stage 1 nrem when it goes through the stages back to rem

[bellaellaella]

I agree with Paulrus. It only occurs straight after falling asleep

[007]

^iirc, it actually does skip stage 1 nrem when it goes through the stages back to rem

The chief examiner assessor dude, whatever, he makes the answers to the exams after they have been sat - he wrote a text book (Oxford Psychology) that my school has been prescribed and he included 1. My bad for correcting if it was wrong, but I'm going off this guy

I agree with Paulrus. It only occurs straight after falling asleep

REM doesn't happen straight after falling asleep there is a cycle of NONREM

[bellaellaella]

The chief examiner assessor dude, whatever, he makes the answers to the exams after they have been sat - he wrote a text book (Oxford Psychology) that my school has been prescribed and he included 1. My bad for correcting if it was wrong, but I'm going off this guy
REM doesn't happen straight after falling asleep there is a cycle of NONREM

I'm aware. I agree with Paulrus in that the stages are 1-2-3-4-3-2-REM-2 ext.

[brenden]

I have checked Wikipedia as well as my uni psych textbook, both say it goes from 2 to REM.

However, I remember being asked a question about this, and in the 2010 exam, question 37 -- http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/Documents/exams/psychology/2010psych1-w.pdf, the only possible correct answer says that it goes 2-1-REM.

I've always believed it to have skipped N1. Although, if you look at the graphs that are going around, where the y-axis has N1 is where REM begins Bit weird.

VCAA have been known to distort answers from what they actually are for whatever reason so I'm definitely not taking the word of the 2010 exam , however, it perhaps sheds some light for you guys as far as VCAA expectations (although, they've been inconsistent in the past, I know the 2013 IT: Apps exam had an answer directly contrary to a past exam). I think Stage 3 and 4 are just referred to as N3 now

Pretty interesting really, I will perhaps later try to find some journal articles that are unanimous one way or the other and report back.


Interestingly, this link here http://healthysleep.med.harvard.edu/healthy/science/what/sleep-patterns-rem-nrem shows a graph through sleep where N1 isn't present - perhaps to avoid the confusion we've already had? I'm leaning towards maintaining my answer.

Edit: Chief assessors don't actually make the answers. The assessors collectively make answers during an assessor's meeting. The CA's role is to instruct the assessor's how they ought to be marking, as well as to review what marks assessors have given what answers to ensure consistency and whatnot.

[bellaellaella]

I have checked Wikipedia as well as my uni psych textbook, both say it goes from 2 to REM.

However, I remember being asked a question about this, and in the 2010 exam, question 37 -- http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/Documents/exams/psychology/2010psych1-w.pdf, the only possible correct answer says that it goes 2-1-REM.

I've always believed it to have skipped N1. Although, if you look at the graphs that are going around, where the y-axis has N1 is where REM begins Bit weird.

VCAA have been known to distort answers from what they actually are for whatever reason so I'm definitely not taking the word of the 2010 exam , however, it perhaps sheds some light for you guys as far as VCAA expectations (although, they've been inconsistent in the past, I know the 2013 IT: Apps exam had an answer directly contrary to a past exam). I think Stage 3 and 4 are just referred to as N3 now

Pretty interesting really, I will perhaps later try to find some journal articles that are unanimous one way or the other and report back.


Interestingly, this link here http://healthysleep.med.harvard.edu/healthy/science/what/sleep-patterns-rem-nrem shows a graph through sleep where N1 isn't present - perhaps to avoid the confusion we've already had? I'm leaning towards maintaining my answer.

Thank you for the insight. I am currently flipping through my check points book to see if there is a related question to clarify this

[millie96]

explain why sleep is an ASC (2 marks)
can you just sub it into the ASC definition or do you need to talk about factors like content limitation, time orientationetc

[007]

I have checked Wikipedia as well as my uni psych textbook, both say it goes from 2 to REM.

However, I remember being asked a question about this, and in the 2010 exam, question 37 -- http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/Documents/exams/psychology/2010psych1-w.pdf, the only possible correct answer says that it goes 2-1-REM.

I've always believed it to have skipped N1. Although, if you look at the graphs that are going around, where the y-axis has N1 is where REM begins Bit weird.

VCAA have been known to distort answers from what they actually are for whatever reason so I'm definitely not taking the word of the 2010 exam , however, it perhaps sheds some light for you guys as far as VCAA expectations (although, they've been inconsistent in the past, I know the 2013 IT: Apps exam had an answer directly contrary to a past exam). I think Stage 3 and 4 are just referred to as N3 now

Pretty interesting really, I will perhaps later try to find some journal articles that are unanimous one way or the other and report back.


Interestingly, this link here http://healthysleep.med.harvard.edu/healthy/science/what/sleep-patterns-rem-nrem shows a graph through sleep where N1 isn't present - perhaps to avoid the confusion we've already had? I'm leaning towards maintaining my answer.

Edit: Chief assessors don't actually make the answers. The assessors collectively make answers during an assessor's meeting. The CA's role is to instruct the assessor's how they ought to be marking, as well as to review what marks assessors have given what answers to ensure consistency and whatnot.

Sorry if this is hard to read posting off iPhone - this is in response to last bit. This guy has came in to lecture us cause our school is brother/sister schools with the one he teaches at, and he has whole heartedly testified to the fact that the exam is made during the holidays, an entire year before it is sat, so basically a few weeks after Dec 16 the new exam is made the following year. After it is sat, he and he only makes the answers that is used as a base, and of course that is up for amendments before the answers are finalised and distributed to all assessors. It may be collective in the editing stage but the answers are written, at least in psychology since the new Study Design (going off his word) that it is done like mentioned.

I'm finding answers quite incompetent over a vast majority of resources, like VCAA  answers from Oxford book, StudyOn and other supplementary texts - there is quite a difference in some of their own explanations and ideas that do not coincide. But I still think it goes 1,2,3,4,3,2,1,R,1... 1 is known ass the transition stage from sleep to wakefulness (or beta brain waves) - Rem.

SAC tomorrow just crammed everything hopefully my sleep consolidates my learning into memories like 'some' of the books say it does hehe

[Rishi97]

Good Luck for your SAC

[007]

explain why sleep is an ASC (2 marks)
can you just sub it into the ASC definition or do you need to talk about factors like content limitation, time orientationetc

I wouldn't define anything I'd compRe characteristics from NWC to ASC like you said. Could be wrong, just how my school seems to do it

[brenden]

Sorry if this is hard to read posting off iPhone - this is in response to last bit. This guy has came in to lecture us cause our school is brother/sister schools with the one he teaches at, and he has whole heartedly testified to the fact that the exam is made during the holidays, an entire year before it is sat, so basically a few weeks after Dec 16 the new exam is made the following year. After it is sat, he and he only makes the answers that is used as a base, and of course that is up for amendments before the answers are finalised and distributed to all assessors. It may be collective in the editing stage but the answers are written, at least in psychology since the new Study Design (going off his word) that it is done like mentioned.

I'm finding answers quite incompetent over a vast majority of resources, like VCAA  answers from Oxford book, StudyOn and other supplementary texts - there is quite a difference in some of their own explanations and ideas that do not coincide. But I still think it goes 1,2,3,4,3,2,1,R,1... 1 is known ass the transition stage from sleep to wakefulness (or beta brain waves) - Rem.

SAC tomorrow just crammed everything hopefully my sleep consolidates my learning into memories like 'some' of the books say it does hehe

Ok fair enough, I was going off what some teachers of mine told me, but they could be outdated or wrong. I think it's fair enough to day that if it comes up in the exam, you guys should definitely answer that 1 comes before REM haha.

[bellaellaella]

In terms of content limitation, how is daydreaming different to meditation?


I feel like daydreaming is an automatic process, leaving meditation to be an controlled process. Can it also be argued that meditation is an automatic process?
How would you answer this question?

[mishamigo]

In terms of content limitation, how is daydreaming different to meditation?


I feel like daydreaming is an automatic process, leaving meditation to be an controlled process. Can it also be argued that meditation is an automatic process?
How would you answer this question?

Iirc, daydreaming has decreased content limitation as there is greater variation in thoughts/ideas, as it includes made-up/imaginary scenarios that have not or could not occur in reality, whereas meditation has increased content limitation as you control your thoughts to focus on one specific thing, eg. Breathing.