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English tutor/student dilemma
« on: December 05, 2013, 02:55:09 am »
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Hi everyone,  :)

I need some help or advice as an English tutor. I'm interested to hear your opinion about what makes tutoring lessons effective or fun for you. If you are an English tutor, how do you engage your students? I find that students who desire to learn and improve in English get along with me very well in our lessons as we have quality discussions regarding ideas/themes etc in relation to the texts that they are studying.

However, the problem I'm facing now is trying to help students who lack the motivation in English to start enjoying the subject because most of the time they don't seem to be taking in what I'm saying. I do try to start discussions with them or ask them about what they think about the text but I still have to do most of the talking because they either give me 1-2 word answers or they just tell me that they don't know what to say.

I hand out sample essays, essay templates, quotes and notes every lesson but they simply refuse to continue writing essays for me to mark and apply my handouts to their writing. I always encourage my students that writing more essays and getting them marked by different people (including me) will improve their writing because they will be able to realise how they should approach the next essay.

This is how I structure my lessons for each English SAC/ text
2 lessons = analysing themes/ characters/ passages or quotes/ historical and cultural context
3 lessons = going through detailed ideas for essay topics and writing essays together
1 lesson = quick essay plans for past exam questions/ other types of questions under exam conditions

Is there something wrong with my lesson plan? Can anyone please give me some advice on how to make lessons more engaging for year 12 students? I truly want to help motivate these students and see them succeed so please offer me your opinion on this matter.  :'(

Thanks!
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Re: English tutor/student dilemma
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2013, 09:34:47 am »
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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2013, 01:27:58 pm »
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What I've found is that I get along better with the hard working, dedicated students. They always happen to be the ones with better scores. One thing in your lesson plan - don't write essays together, only plan together in lessons. You're better off going through marked essays at the end of lessons - but it is difficult in your situation because they're not writing essays.

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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2013, 05:23:56 pm »
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By the way, have a read through this thread that I created a while ago: Tips for VCE English Tutoring!

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Re: English tutor/student dilemma
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2013, 05:42:58 pm »
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What I've found is that I get along better with the hard working, dedicated students. They always happen to be the ones with better scores. One thing in your lesson plan - don't write essays together, only plan together in lessons. You're better off going through marked essays at the end of lessons - but it is difficult in your situation because they're not writing essays.

Hey thanks!

I've read your thread a while ago as well. I certainly do not practice writing essays with students who are dedicated to do well in my lessons unless if they want to improve their sentence structure or if they want to work on paraphrasing ideas.

However, the students I'm referring to here are the ones who are averaging D-C+ and they have no clue how to structure an essay or write a sentence clearly without using too many colloquial terms. For these students, I have no choice but to work on sentence structure, essay structure and expression, allowing them to get more practice in essay writing because they simply do not write essays in their own time.

Thus, I have to teach them how to write a topic sentence,  how to elaborate on the topic sentence and how to embed quotes. My intention  before was to allow them to get enough practice with me so that they can become confident to start writing on their own. I do set out essay topics for homework but as I've mentioned above, the students who are averaging Ds and Cs refuse to complete the homework tasks because they lack the motivation to study English.

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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2013, 05:55:47 pm »
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Hey thanks!

I've read your thread a while ago as well. I certainly do not practice writing essays with students who are dedicated to do well in my lessons unless if they want to improve their sentence structure or if they want to work on paraphrasing ideas.

However, the students I'm referring to here are the ones who are averaging D-C+ and they have no clue how to structure an essay or write a sentence clearly without using too many colloquial terms. For these students, I have no choice but to work on sentence structure, essay structure and expression, allowing them to get more practice in essay writing because they simply do not write essays in their own time.

Thus, I have to teach them how to write a topic sentence,  how to elaborate on the topic sentence and how to embed quotes. My intention  before was to allow them to get enough practice with me so that they can become confident to start writing on their own. I do set out essay topics for homework but as I've mentioned above, the students who are averaging Ds and Cs refuse to complete the homework tasks because they lack the motivation to study English.

Haha yeah it is pretty normal and usual to go through how to write topic sentences and structure essays/sentences - I remember spending a whole lesson grammar and expression alone, and all the students hated it... but it was necessary imo.

From reading your first post, I thought you meant that you write whole essays together with students during lessons.

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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2013, 07:37:46 pm »
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Haha yeah it is pretty normal and usual to go through how to write topic sentences and structure essays/sentences - I remember spending a whole lesson grammar and expression alone, and all the students hated it... but it was necessary imo.

From reading your first post, I thought you meant that you write whole essays together with students during lessons.

I think you misunderstood me. With students who struggle with both structure and expression, I do in fact need to go through the whole essay with them. For example, I would spend about 10-15 min going through the overall essay plan and breaking down the question. Then I go through how they can approach each body paragraph more specifically including topic sentences, evidence or quotes and how to analyse them so that the body paragraph answers the topic question.

What I mean by writing the essay together is asking my students to take down notes in relation to the essay so that they can come back later to look at the essay for guidance. I'd rather spend one lesson on topic sentence, expression, etc but it all goes to waste when students don't put them into practice.

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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2013, 07:56:31 pm »
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My advice: when you are dealing with students who are averaging D+/C, it is better to go through very basic skills as opposed to anything that is specifically targeted towards VCE.  There's no point in dealing with essay structures/plans if they can't even formulate coherent academic sentences.  But also, for weaker students, you need to really make this about learning the basics in a fun way, as these students probably lack a lot of confidence due to their consistently (in their eyes) poor results.  Find unconventional activities for the students to do that improve their writing/reading/thinking that aren't at all VCE-centric; you will get much better results from this, from experience. 

Case study: I had an ESL student whose grammar was very, very poor for a year: at the start, she wanted to go through the novel etc., but I realised what was much more important was making her writing comprehensible.  Instead of doing the normal VCE-Englishy things, I initially forced her to write me diary entries instead.  I would then go through this diary entry and correct the spelling/grammar in it (in a CONSTRUCTIVE manner), before asking her for the next entry.  After about a month or so of this (and maybe 20 odd entries), her writing had improved dramatically, to the point where incomprehensible sentences were now nearly-flawless. 

Following this, I went through some more basic writing tasks with the student, making them write me short 400-odd word pieces on things that they were interested in.  Initially, these were quite weak, but as with the diary entries, after enough, a coherent *form* started to emerge, and the student grew more confident in seeing that they could pull off writing an actual essay.

All in all, this basic stuff took about two months or so of tutoring.  Only after that did I go through essays, essay plans, etc. with specific reference to the VCE course.  The student started off with Cs or so - by the end of the year, she was thoroughly in the A+ zone, and ended it all with a study score in the 40s.  This definitely took a lot of time and effort on my part, but if you really want to make things work for weaker students, that's the responsibility you have to take upon yourself.
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Re: English tutor/student dilemma
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2013, 08:32:17 pm »
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My advice: when you are dealing with students who are averaging D+/C, it is better to go through very basic skills as opposed to anything that is specifically targeted towards VCE.  There's no point in dealing with essay structures/plans if they can't even formulate coherent academic sentences.  But also, for weaker students, you need to really make this about learning the basics in a fun way, as these students probably lack a lot of confidence due to their consistently (in their eyes) poor results.  Find unconventional activities for the students to do that improve their writing/reading/thinking that aren't at all VCE-centric; you will get much better results from this, from experience. 

Case study: I had an ESL student whose grammar was very, very poor for a year: at the start, she wanted to go through the novel etc., but I realised what was much more important was making her writing comprehensible.  Instead of doing the normal VCE-Englishy things, I initially forced her to write me diary entries instead.  I would then go through this diary entry and correct the spelling/grammar in it (in a CONSTRUCTIVE manner), before asking her for the next entry.  After about a month or so of this (and maybe 20 odd entries), her writing had improved dramatically, to the point where incomprehensible sentences were now nearly-flawless. 

Following this, I went through some more basic writing tasks with the student, making them write me short 400-odd word pieces on things that they were interested in.  Initially, these were quite weak, but as with the diary entries, after enough, a coherent *form* started to emerge, and the student grew more confident in seeing that they could pull off writing an actual essay.

All in all, this basic stuff took about two months or so of tutoring.  Only after that did I go through essays, essay plans, etc. with specific reference to the VCE course.  The student started off with Cs or so - by the end of the year, she was thoroughly in the A+ zone, and ended it all with a study score in the 40s.  This definitely took a lot of time and effort on my part, but if you really want to make things work for weaker students, that's the responsibility you have to take upon yourself.

Thank you so much! I'll definitely start applying your diary entry exercises. Should I still cover content from their VCE text or just focus on other things non-related to VCE English in the lesson?
 
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« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2013, 04:42:39 pm »
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Thank you so much! I'll definitely start applying your diary entry exercises. Should I still cover content from their VCE text or just focus on other things non-related to VCE English in the lesson?
 

I reckon start with non-related things, but explain why you're doing it.  You want to engage, but also don't want to appear totally irrelevant.
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« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2013, 09:01:51 am »
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Okay, I'm approaching this post assuming that your students already have adequate enough language skills for them to attempt essays and improve from there. I know in my case, my average was horrible but my language skills were above average; I just hated school.

So, in this post, instead of thinking of the 'problem student' as someone with poor English skills, we'll think of the 'problem student' as someone who lacks the motivation or, perhaps more particularly, self-confidence to fully engage with your lessons plan.

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I do try to start discussions with them or ask them about what they think about the text but I still have to do most of the talking because they either give me 1-2 word answers or they just tell me that they don't know what to say.

I think your lesson plan is pretty good. Well structured and to the criteria, and I think it would work pretty well for the motivated student, but it's for the unmotivated student that it's just not applicable. There are at least three things that I think a 'problem student' would need to hear that a 'good student' wouldn't necessarily need to succeed:

1. Purpose
2. Relevance
2. Motivation (including reassurance, and including a reinvigoration of the English curriculum)

On #1 - how can you expect a student to engage with the historical context of the text when they don't know the purpose of the entire AoS, or the purpose of today's lesson within that AoS?
Perhaps my entire post is only applicable to students of a lower socio-economic status seeing as those are the students I'm most familiar with but, I think a lot of the time with a 'problem student', before you answer their questions about themes and characters, you need to answer the quintessential question of the Cynical Student: "What's the fucking point?"
Get them excited; give them a purpose! (Note: this is pretty intertwined with #2)

Consider Language Analysis, which I think is the most relevant AoS. A lot of students that I've worked with (mostly students that went to my old school that hated their teachers while I was in Year 12 :P ) would look at Language Analysis and think "wow, this is so shit... We're literally just doing the same thing over and over again and pointing out appeals to emotions or whatever". Of course that's dry and boring. No one in the whole entire cosmos could be interested in Language Analysis if their perception of it was so mundane; you need to show them the purpose to Language Analysis, which will in turn show them the relevance of Language Analysis to their lives. In my experience, this will get them excited. (But I also speak with a lot of excitement so it's probably a mix of that as well).
Take a stereotypical gangster student from a shitty public school who still wants a 70 ATAR. It's easy to judge such a student and think "why does he even want an ATAR" but, this stereotype is common enough from what I've seen. Usually this kid will have at least one absolute c*** of a parent, they'll be "taken in" by students a few years older than they are so by the time they're in Year 12 they've already well-developed their persona, despite still wanting to do moderately well. Still, the purpose and relevance might be a struggle. And how would you ever give Language Analysis essays relevance to this student? Give him this example:
"You fucking dog!!:

Show him how 'dog' is a manipulative word. How is that trying to paint the recipient of the insult? Dogs are nice animals, so how have the connotations of this word made it a viable insult? Show him how people are trying to manipulate him everywhere he goes - this is something he understands, and something everyone will understand. Show him how parents, teachers, the government, the media use language to manipulate - how it is a weapon. You could talk about body language - how splayed arms before a fight try to show confidence but really, the guy splaying his arms is just trying to manipulate you with language. And so, the purpose of Langauge Analysis is to be able to identify how someone might use written or visual language in a way that could persuade a target audience .

This goes for all students, not just a 'gangster'. That was just one of the more difficult scenarios I could come up with, but with any other 'problem student', just think of something relevant to their lives. I use the example of asylum seeker propaganda pretty frequently - "boat people" or "illegals" versus "people who don't want to die". Mix that in with a "how dare the government try to manipulate us!" and you might have turned a 'problem student' into an 'indignant student' - which is ultimately a lot better for you.

If you show them that there the purpose goes beyond "getting the score out of it" and well into their lives for years to come, you might start to see some improvement.
It's not so clear cut for Section A and B. You'll have to get a bit more creative. Perhaps the purpose of Section A is to develop critical thinking skills. Perhaps it's argumentative skills. -- I often go the latter, because I think it's better to say to a student "try to dominate everyone else in an argument and show them that you're right" than it is to say "try to develop your critical thinking skills". Ultimately, the purpose is both up to you and up to them for the other two sections. (Whereas I suppose LangAnalysis is pretty clear cut).

Thus, part of my first lesson will be discussing exactly what I've discussed in this post. I will first go through the purpose, perhaps using the same aforementioned examples and generally just getting them to see the AoS in a new light, trying to get them excited. Then, every lesson after that, at the start of my lesson I'll say "okay, what do you want to do today" etc etc, try to get that sorted out quickly, then "Okay. Here's what we're going to do in today's lesson: xyz. The purpose of today's lesson to our overall purpose/AoS is: dfsdfg"
So 'purpose' is two-fold. Overall purpose, and purpose for every lesson after that. Relevance is the same and, as mentioned, follows very naturally from the purpose.

HOPEFULLY, motivation has stemmed from here and your troubles are over. If not, well... fuck. If after the first two a student is still dead to the world, there's most probably an underlying issue. Perhaps grammar and language troubles as mentioned by EZ, but perhaps crippling self-confidence problems (not that rare in my experience). This is where you need to be really empathetic and you'll have to coax work out of your student. I can't really advise you on this.. Try what I'll call "reflective empathy". Eg, try to feel what they feel, then reflect that. If a student thinks you'll judge them for their writing - "Man, when I was in high-school I was so fucking scared that people would judge me for my writing, so I swear to God there's no fucking way I'll ever criticise you, and if you ever feel really sensitive about a particular piece of writing, just let me know". Build trust, respect, admiration.

Most importantly, don't fall into the trap of dichotomising students into "good student" and "shit student". A shit student, more often than not, is someone who has been failed by the system or failed by their families. For so long I was a "shit student" - wagging class, definitely not paying attention while I was IN class, generally being outspoken about how much I hated the teacher etc. Some people thought I was on drugs because there were always massive rings under my eyes and my eyes were reddish from lack of sleep. It'd be so easy to look at me and think "man, what a shit student!!" but I had things going on which, to me at the time, were far more stressing than school could ever be. I'm not trying to take all the blame away from myself - I was still a prick -  but there were also other factors. I've found since tutoring that it's so easy to dichotomise... I love teaching motivated students. It's easy. It's successful. It's fun. But a 'problem student' becomes much more challenging, difficult, and sometimes less successful. It's so easy to turn the frustration into animosity toward your student. Even with my own personal experience, I've STILL been tempted toward "omg such a shit student ffs!!!" but it's really important to fight the urge, and it might make your job easier if you start to think "they're such a shit student, I don't know what to do with them" to "there must be an underlying problem. I'll try to figure it out, then I might be able to figure out what to do with them".


Anyway. That's my spiel! Some good stuff in this thread as a whole for tutors, I think :). Good luck with your students everyone.
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Re: English tutor/student dilemma
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2013, 06:11:02 pm »
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Thank you so much!!! Part of my problem probably comes from my inability to empathise with my "problem students" because I was a nerd in year 12. I think you're definitely right about making things relevant for the students so that they can see a point in studying English. I'll try my best. Thanks again!

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« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2013, 10:14:15 pm »
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Thank you so much!!! Part of my problem probably comes from my inability to empathise with my "problem students" because I was a nerd in year 12. I think you're definitely right about making things relevant for the students so that they can see a point in studying English. I'll try my best. Thanks again!
You're super welcome :)

Don't worry, I was a massive nerd in Year 12 as well. It was just years 7 through 11 that I fell off the wagon. And you don't need to have been a problem student to be able to empathise as one. Take it like a deductive reasoning puzzle. It's logical to take a guess at self-confidence or anxiety problems if someone you know has good language skills won't produce work or respond much to you (or perhaps there are other issues). If you think you have an inability to empathise, you're just wrong! :P. Empathy is (imo) a skill, much like tennis. Everyone can play tennis, though some have had more practice and subsequently play it better. Treat it like a deliberate exercise rather than a "hmmm, what does my empathy cook up today? nothing? Bummer" kind of thing.

Anyway, best of luck with everything Tange, you sound like you'd be an awesome tutor :)
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