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Re: Commerce Breadth
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2013, 07:03:18 pm »
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I'm looking at Commerce breadth also. I want to do a BSc with a Maths major, and I want fill up my breadth with Economics and Finance. Given that I'm mathematically inclined, do you have any suggestions for me? I was thinking the following breadth sequences:

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Re: Commerce Breadth
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2013, 07:26:14 pm »
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Can someone give me information about how hard Finance 1 is to do well in? I've read the subject reviews but would like more info...
No one can really answer that. Some one can come and say that Finance is 'piss easy' but at the end of the day, a small percentage of students get H1 and the rest...don't. If basic financial maths and some memorising doesn't sound too bad then it yes it would be pretty 'easy'.

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Re: Commerce Breadth
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2013, 07:45:06 pm »
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What area do you want to work in?

Undergraduate Finance Mathematics is all about memorisation of formulas and theoretical financial theories an instruments (ie. bonds, shares, options, hedge etc.). This would be very useful if you plan on heading into the quantitative finance sector, but the mathematical difficulty would probably be quite straightforward for a mathematics student.

Econ at 1st level is pretty much interpreting graphs and fairly basic calculations. Simple calculus may be used in Intro Microeconomics, but the more "complex" differential analysis (which again would be laughably simple for a maths student) would begin in 2nd year. Undergrad economics is not hard mathematically, students get stuck on applying the right theory to scenarios (something that may be difficult to do because there usually is no "right" answer; just the most "optimal").

Econometrics is just a fancy economics term for statistics and probability. 2nd yr metrics will be simple OLS equations; which is simply all about an introduction to statistics and how economists employ OLS techniques to sample data. 3rd year metrics just goes into more complex methods of sampling data; and this is where you start having to employ multivariate calculus and linear algebra to problems. (Again, not very difficult for a mathematics student). Furthermore, Vance (3rd yr metrics lecturer for the past 6 years) is a very very good teacher.

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Re: Commerce Breadth
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2013, 08:42:23 pm »
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But I'm curious: what exactly is the difference between Accounting, Finance, and Economics?

Economics is a social science that aims to solve the basic problem of relative scarcity - our needs and wants are unlimited, but our resources are limited. Here, we explore the behavior of economic agents (such as households, governments and firms) in the process of production, employment and incomes generated. Microeconomics focuses on specific markets (e.g. the car industry), whilst macroeconomics focuses on the entire economy or all the individual markets combined if you will (e.g. adjusting the interest rate which affects all individuals).

Accounting involves a fair bit of number crunching. It is about collecting financial data and manipulating it in a way that communicates financial information to firms to assist them in decision-making regarding their operations. This means calculating how much profit they are earning, how much cash they have on hand, etc. There are two main branches of Accounting: financial accounting focuses on the "external" aspects of a business, such as generating business reports for external stakeholders (e.g. for potential investors), while management accounting focuses on the "internal" workings a firm (e.g. working on a pricing strategy).

As for Finance, well I haven't actually studied it (properly yet). To my knowledge, its about the study of money markets and transactions (hence there is a bit of overlap with Economics). You will learn about the market for equity (such as stocks) and debt (such as bonds) as well as other securities, hedge funds and derivatives. I find finance the most interesting subject out of the three :)

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Re: Commerce Breadth
« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2013, 10:55:03 pm »
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What exactly is finance and how does it differ from micro and macro? I want to learn more about how businesses are run and how the economy actually works. Would the sequence above allow me to do that?

If VCE Accounting as anything to go by, then I don't think I'm particularly interested in Accounting. I have a friend who did Accounting in Year 12 this year, and the stuff he did looked pretty dull (no offence to all the Accounting lovers out there!). But I'm curious: what exactly is the difference between Accounting, Finance, and Economics?

Finance is the study of how assets are allocated using different financial models. It involves studying the different types of financial markets (e.g. money market, forex market, stock market, bond market, etc.), financial securities, and financial institutions. It also involves analysing financial risk, credit risk, interest risk, and other macroeconomic variables and incorporating them on different asset pricing models. In later years you can either branch out to do personal finance (wealth management and financial planning) or corporate finance (dealing with capital structures and funding sources of companies).

Finance 1 gives a foundational knowledge on all the higher finance subjects. Macroeconomics involves analysis of the performance and behaviour of the economy as a whole, working with the concepts of inflation, interest rates, money supply, monetary and fiscal policy, GDP, etc. Microeconomics, meanwhile, studies the behaviour of producers and consumers under both perfect and imperfect competition, as well as the role of government in an economy, game theory, and resource allocation. Given that you want to know more of how business work with a little bit of economics, I would say that the FINANCE 1 -- BUS. FIN -- CORP. FIN track would suit you well. Read more about each subject in the Handbook. Otherwise, you can do a Macro breadth track.

Also, VCE Accounting is very different than ARA; I think it's actually closer to IFA than ARA. I like studying Accounting, but I really get why people see Accounting as boring (maybe because it actually is). Accounting is the process of identifying, recording, measuring, and communicating economic events and financial transactions of a firm to a range of users for their decision-making needs.

There is definitely an intersection among finance, economics, and accounting. Financial Accounting is basically reporting to external entities. It's rigid, standard-based, and heavily audited. Management Accounting deals with cost management, cost-based economic decisions, performance appraisal, and budgeting, among others. It's not standard-based because it's only released for managers to use (hence, management accounting).

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Re: Commerce Breadth
« Reply #20 on: December 27, 2013, 06:48:10 pm »
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But I'm curious: what exactly is the difference between Accounting, Finance, and Economics?


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Re: Commerce Breadth
« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2013, 07:32:13 pm »
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^What does that mean?

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Re: Commerce Breadth
« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2013, 07:34:24 pm »
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Accounting is a subset of Finance.
Finance is a subset of Economics.

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Re: Commerce Breadth
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2013, 11:21:03 pm »
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Damn TT an his use of inferences. That stuff gave me nightmares in microeconomics.    :P