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Re: VCE Biology Question Thread
« Reply #8355 on: September 29, 2016, 09:23:38 pm »
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i went to the same one! hahah was the dude in a black beanie, and brown tracksuit pants up the back of the lecture hall with glasses haha.
yeah it was pretty good haahah! so much passion about bio

question-> how do you guys recommend filling in gaps in knowledge? getting a few questions inccorrect b/c i dont fully rmbr the correct terms etc. Just read over notes? i find i forget things really quickly i.e i cram quite a lot :( thanks!

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I would recommend reviewing topic by topic like douchy said, that way you can revise whilst still doing questions!

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Re: VCE Biology Question Thread
« Reply #8356 on: September 29, 2016, 09:34:11 pm »
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the tsfx notes states some bonds are hydrophili? ..... aren't whole molecules hydrophilic not just individual bonds?
Do you do chem by any chance? You can have polar/ non polar bonds, and then the whole molecule can be polar or non polar. Would polar bonds correlate with 'hydrophilic bonds', and non polar bonds relate to 'hydrophobic bonds'?
Also, how does it work with amphipathic molecules?

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Re: VCE Biology Question Thread
« Reply #8357 on: September 29, 2016, 09:41:40 pm »
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Hey guys, just finishing off my research SAC for biology and I'm having some trouble interpreting a question:
"How do cultural, technological and biological evolution work in relation to GM foods?"
I have no idea what to talk about.
Also, if asked how humans have changes evolutionary processes, would talking about selective breeding and contrasting it to natural selection suffice?

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Re: VCE Biology Question Thread
« Reply #8358 on: September 29, 2016, 09:46:38 pm »
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loved his ape walk hahah,
I was in the front in the JMSS jacket.
But yeah had to get a selfie with the man since he is like a bio meme hahah

I would recommend reviewing topic by topic like douchy said, that way you can revise whilst still doing questions!
I THINK I SAW YOU HAHAHAH i walked past you and im like omg i think this guy looks similar .. are you Asian by any chance?
yeah sounds good xD
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Re: VCE Biology Question Thread
« Reply #8359 on: September 29, 2016, 09:56:53 pm »
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Hey, who knows that process of genetic screening?

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Re: VCE Biology Question Thread
« Reply #8360 on: September 29, 2016, 10:15:10 pm »
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Was anyone here at the SWOT Biol lectures by the way? On Tuesday :)





Salbutamol is a drug very commonly used to treat asthma. It is given in an inhaler to relieve acute symptoms of asthma, such as wheeze and shortness of breath. The drug works by making bronchi (the tubes that take air into the lungs) dilate.

If, however, salbutamol is injected, it can cause an increase in heart rate and blood pressure. It can also make some blood vessels constrict, and others dilate.

In some instances, salbutamol has been used by athletes as a means of doping. This is because, if given over a long period, salbutamol can encourage the production of muscle tissue.

Give two reasons why salbutamol can have these different effects.

Why do patients with asthma typically not experience an increase in heart rate after using their puffer (with salbutamol)?

I probably can fry some eggs on my brain right now.
Salbutamol is most likely a hormone, and as such in each of the cells with a complementary receptor, a different signal transduction pathway can occur. As a result, different tissue respond differently to the hormone, which is why a variety of responses occur.
Secondly, regular usage of salbutamol may cause the over stimulation of other hormonal glands. This therefore would cause the regular production of other hormones, and over time muscle tissue may be increase as a result.

Asthma is an allergic reaction involving the constriction of airways, increased blood vessel permeability and vasodilation. As a result, blood pressure and heart rate drops. When they use a puffer, salbutamol counteracts the decrease in heart rate, so the heart rate is maintained at a normal range, and does not drop or rise very much.

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Re: VCE Biology Question Thread
« Reply #8361 on: September 29, 2016, 10:18:14 pm »
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Hey, who knows that process of genetic screening?
Genetic screening is just analysing a person's DNA to identify if an individual is diagnosed with a particular genetic disease.
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Re: VCE Biology Question Thread
« Reply #8362 on: September 30, 2016, 12:14:49 am »
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I THINK I SAW YOU HAHAHAH i walked past you and im like omg i think this guy looks similar .. are you Asian by any chance?
yeah sounds good xD
[better not detail the thread hahah...sorry]

lol I am not asian hahaha
Yeah lets keep thread on track

I am confused because VCAA says they only want us to know products and inputs of CelResp and Photosynth yet i have seen questions talking about the electron trasport chain and the role od NADH and ect and idk it seems like it refering to the process and not simply the outputs/inputs...............

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Re: VCE Biology Question Thread
« Reply #8363 on: September 30, 2016, 12:00:32 pm »
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Hey y'all,
I was just wondering if someone could help me with regards to the specific immune response as I am struggling to grasp the finer details. So the below steps is how I would answer such as: 'Describe the process by which an pathogen triggers a specific immune response', however I'm not so confident it's all correct.

1. Macrophage or dendritic cell (APC) engulfs pathogen, breaks it down with lysosomes, then presents antigen fragments upon it's MHC II markers.
2. Inactivated T-helper cell then binds to the MHC II marker with the presented antigen via its complementary T cell receptor (TCR), causing it to become activated.
3. Activated Th cell then also binds to a naive B-lymphocyte presenting the same antigen fragment on it's MHC II marker (has also ingested and presented the same antigen), stimulating the release of cytokines, which ultimately result in the proliferation of the B-cell into B-memory cells, and B plasma cells, which produce antibodies specific to the antigen of which fragments were displayed.

Also, if anyone could answer these it would be super helpful!
a) Where do T-helper cells and B-lymphocytes interact and undergo presentation and proliferation? Is it in the lymph nodes?
b) Does this process work in the same way for cellular and viral infections? E.g. can macrophages engulf viruses and display parts of their protein coat/antigens despite their small size? If not, how does it occur?
c) When cytokines/interleukins are being released, does it also stimulate the proliferation of Th cells into cytotoxic T and memory cells and not just B plasma and B memory cells? Basically do the cell mediated response and humeral immunity both occur simultaneously, or are the activated independently and dependent on the nature of the infecting pathogen?
d) Where do supressor T cells fit in? Do they only begin to arise as the infection is under control?
e) Why do T helper cells have to become activated from macrophages/dendritic cells before allow b cells to proliferate? Is it just a safety mechanism?

Sorry for the barrage of questions, I just really haven't been able to find anywhere that helps me understand so I thought I'd ask here :)

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Re: VCE Biology Question Thread
« Reply #8364 on: September 30, 2016, 07:41:41 pm »
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I probably can fry some eggs on my brain right now.
Salbutamol is most likely a hormone, and as such in each of the cells with a complementary receptor, a different signal transduction pathway can occur. As a result, different tissue respond differently to the hormone, which is why a variety of responses occur.
Secondly, regular usage of salbutamol may cause the over stimulation of other hormonal glands. This therefore would cause the regular production of other hormones, and over time muscle tissue may be increase as a result.

Asthma is an allergic reaction involving the constriction of airways, increased blood vessel permeability and vasodilation. As a result, blood pressure and heart rate drops. When they use a puffer, salbutamol counteracts the decrease in heart rate, so the heart rate is maintained at a normal range, and does not drop or rise very much.

Full guessed the question. Actually had no idea what I typed up

I really, really like your thinking on this. It's not exactly what I was looking for, but still a really good answer. The questions I've been giving have been deliberately difficult and are designed to make you think deeply about things; it's nice to see your thinking :)


If I were under exam question mode though, the answer would be fairly straightforward (a lot of the info was just there as a distraction):

-salbutamol can bind to different receptors (true)
-salbutamol has different effects on different cells, because the cells have different secondary messenger systems to respond to salbutamol (also true)



You don't get an increase in heart rate and blood pressure, because inhaling it means that only very little gets to the heart—most of it just hangs around the lungs

Hey y'all,
I was just wondering if someone could help me with regards to the specific immune response as I am struggling to grasp the finer details. So the below steps is how I would answer such as: 'Describe the process by which an pathogen triggers a specific immune response', however I'm not so confident it's all correct.

1. Macrophage or dendritic cell (APC) engulfs pathogen, breaks it down with lysosomes, then presents antigen fragments upon it's MHC II markers.
2. Inactivated T-helper cell then binds to the MHC II marker with the presented antigen via its complementary T cell receptor (TCR), causing it to become activated.
3. Activated Th cell then also binds to a naive B-lymphocyte presenting the same antigen fragment on it's MHC II marker (has also ingested and presented the same antigen), stimulating the release of cytokines, which ultimately result in the proliferation of the B-cell into B-memory cells, and B plasma cells, which produce antibodies specific to the antigen of which fragments were displayed.

Also, if anyone could answer these it would be super helpful!
a) Where do T-helper cells and B-lymphocytes interact and undergo presentation and proliferation? Is it in the lymph nodes?
b) Does this process work in the same way for cellular and viral infections? E.g. can macrophages engulf viruses and display parts of their protein coat/antigens despite their small size? If not, how does it occur?
c) When cytokines/interleukins are being released, does it also stimulate the proliferation of Th cells into cytotoxic T and memory cells and not just B plasma and B memory cells? Basically do the cell mediated response and humeral immunity both occur simultaneously, or are the activated independently and dependent on the nature of the infecting pathogen?
d) Where do supressor T cells fit in? Do they only begin to arise as the infection is under control?
e) Why do T helper cells have to become activated from macrophages/dendritic cells before allow b cells to proliferate? Is it just a safety mechanism?

Sorry for the barrage of questions, I just really haven't been able to find anywhere that helps me understand so I thought I'd ask here :)

You clearly have a really, really nuanced understanding of immunology—one that takes you well and truly beyond the VCE course. Make sure you study the VCE-level answers given on VCAA exams really carefully, and be careful to not add too much detail

All of your questions are totally irrelevant to the knowledge you're expected to have for VCE, but some basic answers:

a. No, not just lymph nodes. Any lymphoid tissue, so the spleen for example. In some cases, you also get lymphoid tissue develop at the site of infection. You are right though in identify lymph nodes as the major site.
As an interesting aside, T-cells and B-cells don't mix in lymphoid tissues. They're assorted into different zones, with the T-cells surrounding a core of B-cells all clumped together. Part of activation of T-cells and B-cells is that they move to the borders of their zones, so that they can bump up next to their T/B-cell friend
b. There are slight differences, and I must admit I'm not entirely sure how it works. Viruses can still absolutely be presented; otherwise you wouldn't get a Th response nor a B-cell response (and you do get both to viruses)
c. They're activated in tandem and kind of need each other to be activated. The innate immune system also plays a role in this as well. For instance, a T-helper cell won't be activated unless it receives a direct signal from an antigen-presenting cell, as well as cytokine signals from that cell too. T-helper cells then go on to activate cytotoxic T-cells and B-cells too. Just remember that T-helper cells are a different lineage. T-cells don't start off as T-helper cells and differentiate.
d. Don't worry about suppressors. Way too complicated
e. Yep, safety mechanism is a really good way of putting it. T-helper cells also communicate to B-cells what kind of infection there is, which helps to guide the B-cell response. For instance, IgE is more useful for worms etc, whereas IgG is more useful for viruses and bacteria.


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Re: VCE Biology Question Thread
« Reply #8365 on: September 30, 2016, 07:56:54 pm »
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Do you do chem by any chance? You can have polar/ non polar bonds, and then the whole molecule can be polar or non polar. Would polar bonds correlate with 'hydrophilic bonds', and non polar bonds relate to 'hydrophobic bonds'?
Also, how does it work with amphipathic molecules?

yep i do chem, ahh I see. I always thought the term polar referred purely to the molecule though and the bonds and their sharing of electrons is what causes the molecule to be polar or non polar. 
I don't think we can say a bond is hydrophilic or hydrophobic though, I really believe that term refers to the molecule in its entirety.

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« Reply #8366 on: September 30, 2016, 08:30:48 pm »
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As I said, all for interest, not part of the course

Cheers for the reply Vox was really helpful. I'll keep in mind to not over complicate exam questions, I just feel like deepening an understanding of certain areas helps me understand the basics more soundly :)

While I'm at it, the other area I've found most complicated is photosynthesis and cellular respiration. I know we only need to know the inputs and outputs of each stage, (as well as structures of organelles involved and a basic understanding of the processes), but different sources seem to cite slightly different numbers of products and reactants of each stage, and I'm unsure of exactly how much detail we need to know.

My current understanding is as in the image attached, I'm not sure if its 100% correct however.
1. Is it appropriate to write the respiration equation with the ATP on a seperate arrow like in the image? I have been told it's preferable.
2. Should we know the numbers of NADP(H)s and ATPs in photosynthesis?
3. As far as I know VCAA doesn't include pyrvuate oxidation, so do we just add the outputs of that onto the Krebs cycle as in the picture?
4) Are all the inputs and outputs I have correct?

Thanks again :)



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Re: VCE Biology Question Thread
« Reply #8367 on: September 30, 2016, 08:39:33 pm »
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T-cells don't start off as T-helper cells and differentiate.

Wait, they dont??

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« Reply #8368 on: September 30, 2016, 08:45:33 pm »
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What are the first cells to recognize non-self cells in the body and what exactly do drugs that suppress the immune system target?

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Re: VCE Biology Question Thread
« Reply #8369 on: September 30, 2016, 08:47:37 pm »
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Cheers for the reply Vox was really helpful. I'll keep in mind to not over complicate exam questions, I just feel like deepening an understanding of certain areas helps me understand the basics more soundly :)

While I'm at it, the other area I've found most complicated is photosynthesis and cellular respiration. I know we only need to know the inputs and outputs of each stage, (as well as structures of organelles involved and a basic understanding of the processes), but different sources seem to cite slightly different numbers of products and reactants of each stage, and I'm unsure of exactly how much detail we need to know.

My current understanding is as in the image attached, I'm not sure if its 100% correct however.
1. Is it appropriate to write the respiration equation with the ATP on a seperate arrow like in the image? I have been told it's preferable.
2. Should we know the numbers of NADP(H)s and ATPs in photosynthesis?
3. As far as I know VCAA doesn't include pyrvuate oxidation, so do we just add the outputs of that onto the Krebs cycle as in the picture?
4) Are all the inputs and outputs I have correct?

Thanks again :)

1. Yeah that's fine
2. Nope, don't think it's necessary
3. That's right
4. Perfect as far as I can see

Wait, they dont??

Nope. Could be different in VCEland (there are some things you're taught in VCE that just aren't true).

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