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« Reply #5340 on: July 01, 2015, 06:32:59 pm »
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@Mr. T-Rav 

Thank you very much, and yes, I thought I would include my own understandings because I remember before my osmosis sac you told me off and said I should not ask questions without my answer to it :P

Signalling q4:

I mean that can neurones initiate a response in a body cell (they are all body cells, just realised) by this I meant a cell that is NOT a neurone :P

I know neurones release neurotransmitters that diffuse through the synaptic cleft into the post synaptic membrane receptors, can this post synaptic cell not be a neurone?

They sure can. They can interact with muscle cells, for instance, which initiates contraction. They can also interact with cells in glands, initiating the release of stuff from those cells.
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« Reply #5341 on: July 01, 2015, 07:20:18 pm »
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Thank you grannysmith (long time no help my friend :) ) and Mr. T-Rav (any reasoning for the username, do you teach?)

VCAA 2007:

Question:

Recent research has demonstrated that members of some families are unable to feel pain. They respond normally to touch, temperature and pressure and have no signs of nerve disease. From this information it is reasonable to conclude that in the affected people:

A. Neurones in the skin are unable to respond to external stimuli
B. Ion channels are blocked in one group of specialised neurones
C. Neurones are unable to produce neurotransmitters

Answer: B

How can it be B if the ion channels are blocked, then how do the people respond to touch, temp and pressure. If the ion channels are blocked, that means that action potentials cannot actually initiate, this being said, I can understand that the members of the family would not feel pain. But then how can they respond normally to touch?

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« Reply #5342 on: July 01, 2015, 07:26:29 pm »
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Notice that it says "ONE GROUP of specialized neurons", so it could just be the ion channels of pain receptors that are blocked
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« Reply #5343 on: July 01, 2015, 07:33:39 pm »
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Notice that it says "ONE GROUP of specialized neurons", so it could just be the ion channels of pain receptors that are blocked

Thank you Mieow, it sorta makes sense now, although not entirely.

Also, do plant hormones exist? Or are the called plant regulators, because I recall my teacher saying plants do not have endocrine glands so they cannot secrete hormones. But this question from VCAA just said the answer is "canavanine is a plant hormone that affects insects"
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« Reply #5344 on: July 01, 2015, 08:06:15 pm »
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Describe the effect of the release of histamine by Mast cells into the surrounding extracellular fluid or bloodstream.
Answers: Swelling, itching, excessive mucus production, constriction of airways.

I said histamines can dilate blood vessels, causing an influx of blood cells to fight the pathogens. Is this correct, if so why isn't it on the answers? (VCAA 2007 SA)
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« Reply #5345 on: July 01, 2015, 08:09:29 pm »
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Describe the effect of the release of histamine by Mast cells into the surrounding extracellular fluid or bloodstream.
Answers: Swelling, itching, excessive mucus production, constriction of airways.

I said histamines can dilate blood vessels, causing an influx of blood cells to fight the pathogens. Is this correct, if so why isn't it on the answers? (VCAA 2007 SA)

You are right, but swelling, itching, excess mucus production and bronchoconstriction are all secondary effects of the increase vasodilation and vessel permeability which comes with histamine release :)

So basically the sequence of events is histamine -> increase vessel dilation and permeability -> the effects in the answers

You just need to take your answer a little further, but you'd still get some marks on the exam for your answer :)
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« Reply #5346 on: July 01, 2015, 08:19:17 pm »
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You are right, but swelling, itching, excess mucus production and bronchoconstriction are all secondary effects of the increase vasodilation and vessel permeability which comes with histamine release :)

So basically the sequence of events is histamine -> increase vessel dilation and permeability -> the effects in the answers

You just need to take your answer a little further, but you'd still get some marks on the exam for your answer :)

Thank you

So I have realised my main source of error for Unit 3 is immunology and not being specific in my answers, how can I refine this? Any help please?
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« Reply #5347 on: July 01, 2015, 08:24:32 pm »
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Thank you

So I have realised my main source of error for Unit 3 is immunology and not being specific in my answers, how can I refine this? Any help please?

I would recommend cracking open a good study good (A+ notes are okay/TSFX notes are incredible) and literally sit down and learn it through and through - if you don't have access to said notes, read about the relevant content in your textbook inside and out, and consult Dr Google and Professor Wikipedia when you come across a difficult term or concept. Then do every immunology question you can get your hand on and really reflect on the way they word the answers.

There is no specific trick that you can do, other than just work at it and see what perfect answers look like (via the assessment reports etc) and practising it for yourself. Just remember that while writing answers for biology, you want to write as much as you possibly can (concept/idea-wise) while using a limited number of words; be more concise.
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Re: VCE Biology Question Thread
« Reply #5348 on: July 01, 2015, 08:49:04 pm »
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Notice that it says "ONE GROUP of specialized neurons", so it could just be the ion channels of pain receptors that are blocked
Thank you Mieow, it sorta makes sense now, although not entirely.

Well let's clear it up for good! As Mieow was probably thinking, there are different nerves for different things. Indeed, there are different nerves (and different spinal pathways) for pain, temperature, etc.

Don't believe me? Out of the scope of VCE bio, but check this out:
Some stuff you learn as a first year MBBS student

Not only are the nerves different types, the skin receptors are also different, and the corresponding pathways to the brain (spinothalamic vs posterior columns) also differ!

Some cheeky second year MBBS knowledge goes over tracts!

To go further, we can actually look at what they're talking about, say "congenital insensitivity to pain", which is an autosomal recessive condition caused by mutation to the SCN9A gene which codes for a specific type of sodium ion channel which is present in neurones in the pain pathway. When you're done studying for today, check out Season 3 Episode 14 of the show House MD, slightly different condition but the presenting complaint is pretty similar to this question! ;)

Hope that clears some issues and raises some interest into random cool stuff! :D



You are right, but swelling, itching, excess mucus production and bronchoconstriction are all secondary effects of the increase vasodilation and vessel permeability which comes with histamine release :)

So basically the sequence of events is histamine -> increase vessel dilation and permeability -> the effects in the answers

You just need to take your answer a little further, but you'd still get some marks on the exam for your answer :)

Nice answer, but that's not really correct. There are actually various types of histamine receptors! The H1 receptor is found in bronchial smooth muscle, hence constriction is a fairly direct result and vasodilation (which may indeed happen simultaneously!) doesn't play a role in the actual bronchoconstriction (clinical correlate: asthma and type 1 hypersensitivity). Similar for the urticaria, separate from the vasodilation.

I think for the question at hand, it's more accurate to list the effects as a "list" and not to make the inference that they're all caused by vasodilation as that isn't really true.

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Re: VCE Biology Question Thread
« Reply #5349 on: July 01, 2015, 08:53:11 pm »
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Well let's clear it up for good! As Mieow was probably thinking, there are different nerves for different things. Indeed, there are different nerves (and different spinal pathways) for pain, temperature, etc.

Don't believe me? Out of the scope of VCE bio, but check this out:
Some stuff you learn as a first year MBBS student

Not only are the nerves different types, the skin receptors are also different, and the corresponding pathways to the brain (spinothalamic vs posterior columns) also differ!

Some cheeky second year MBBS knowledge goes over tracts!

To go further, we can actually look at what they're talking about, say "congenital insensitivity to pain", which is an autosomal recessive condition caused by mutation to the SCN9A gene which codes for a specific type of sodium ion channel which is present in neurones in the pain pathway.

Hope that clears some issues and raises some interest into random cool stuff! :D



Nice answer, but that's not really correct. There are actually various types of histamine receptors! The H1 receptor is found in bronchial smooth muscle, hence constriction is a fairly direct result and vasodilation (which may indeed happen simultaneously!) doesn't play a role in the actual bronchoconstriction (clinical correlate: asthma and type 1 hypersensitivity). Similar for the urticaria, separate from the vasodilation.

I think for the question at hand, it's more accurate to list the effects as a "list" and not to make the inference that they're all caused by vasodilation as that isn't really true.

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« Reply #5350 on: July 01, 2015, 08:56:55 pm »
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Whilst that may or may not be true, I find that the theory in subjects like bio become wayyyyyy more interesting if you can correlate it to something that's real and cool. Would highly recommend looking into things more deeply if you have some free time, won't help on the exam but you'll get more out of it.*

*Don't look more into plant hormones, that's a bit sad.

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« Reply #5351 on: July 01, 2015, 09:06:33 pm »
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Thanks for the assistance people! Appreciate all your help :)

@pi: I hope everything I just read is not in VCE bio haha :P. I understand that there are different nerves for pain, temperature, etc, but this might be a bit too in-depth for VCE, but what is pain? Haha, I know it is caused by the action potential stimulating nerve cells, but i once remember doing a question saying that a specific drug can inhibit pain. This drug obviously blocks the neurtransmitter's receptors on the post synaptic membrane, so the post synaptic cell cannot be stimulated (feel pain?). Can pain be the result of electrical impulse on any cell/tissue? or is it only skin?

Cheers, apologies for the 'all over the place' question.
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« Reply #5352 on: July 01, 2015, 09:39:51 pm »
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Thanks for the assistance people! Appreciate all your help :)

@pi: I hope everything I just read is not in VCE bio haha :P. I understand that there are different nerves for pain, temperature, etc, but this might be a bit too in-depth for VCE, but what is pain? Haha, I know it is caused by the action potential stimulating nerve cells, but i once remember doing a question saying that a specific drug can inhibit pain. This drug obviously blocks the neurtransmitter's receptors on the post synaptic membrane, so the post synaptic cell cannot be stimulated (feel pain?). Can pain be the result of electrical impulse on any cell/tissue? or is it only skin?

Cheers, apologies for the 'all over the place' question.

The take-home VCE bio point is: there are many different types of nerves :P

Now, an interesting and totally-out-of-the-course question about pain, I'll try and tie in some clinical stuff that you'd know!

I guess if we were to define pain, we'd say it's a subjective unpleasant sensory experience and/or an unpleasant emotional experience. To further the sensory experience, we could say it's associated with actual or potential tissue damage (hence it's a protective thing, it provides warning for more harm, which is the whole point of pain!).

From there, things become a bit more complicated. The receptors that carry the sensation of pain are free nerve endings ({g} in that Nature picture I posted above, right at the end of that table), from that receptor there are two different types of nerves that carry the signal: A-delta (these carry signals relatively fast, and are hence more involved in sharp, pricking, electric pains) and C fibres (these carry signals slower, and are hence involved in burning, aching, chronic pains). The important thing to realise is that there is always this "double pain sensation" through each of those nerve types. To make this further confusing/interesting, different ion channels are involved in different types of pains, which is why (well, one of the reasons anyway) without looking you can tell the difference between an electric shock and a pin.

Basically the way these receptors ('nociceptive receptors') work is that there is surrounding damage -> inflammatory agents released -> activation of secondary enzymes -> lowers threshold for certain ion channels to open in the nerve (remember it's a free nerve ending!) -> specific signal transmitted. This signal goes up the spine, mainly through something called the 'spinothalamic tract', up to the brain.

Ok, but here's the REALLY interesting part, something that you probably "know", but don't know "why" (or perhaps never given it much thought?). There are other types of nerves, one is called A-beta. If you look at the aforementioned Nature picture, you can see that they are involved in various other  sensations. Their role in pain is interesting, they are able to modulate the pain signal via an inhibitory interneuron. Hence, if you rub your toe that you just stubbed, you activate this A-beta pathway, and down-modulate your pain sense! This is a simplification of the famous "gate control theory" and hopefully explains to you why rubbing a painful area can help relieve the pain!


Hopefully that sparked some interest! :D



Regarding your question on pain medications. This becomes considerably more complicated haha (I know right!?!). There are many types of pain meds, let's go over a couple of the ones you've heard of:
- Morphine ("opiods"): these work by blocking receptors that are present in nerve cells in the CNS, and block the signal that way
- Ibuprofen ("Nurofen"): these work by reducing inflammation, and as above, less inflammation means less activation of secondary enzymes and a higher threshold for the action potential to go through

There are heaps of other types, but hopefully that gives you a simple taste of things! :)
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« Reply #5353 on: July 02, 2015, 09:52:45 am »
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For the attached question, I was able to deduce that the answer is either A or B as neurotransmitters, hormones and plant regulators are all signalling molecules. However, I would have thought that neurotransmitters and hormones would be grouped together, because they're both not found in plant systems? So I chose option B as gibberellins was isolated but still under signalling molecules. Answer is A

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Are we required to know the differences between fibrous and globular proteins?
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