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Thinking like a mathematician
« on: December 26, 2013, 12:04:40 am »
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I feel like i'm not thinking liking one and when i get a worded question etc i struggle if that makes sense.

For e.g i've nearly completed the 1st chapter of methods and doing fine but why am i doing…  When i start questioning things like why am i plotting this graph what is this what is that, i then start to think what the hell am i doing.  This is really hard to explain…
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Re: Thinking like a mathematician
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2013, 08:43:05 am »
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If you fear not achieving well on worded questions I am here to tell you if you are dedicated there should be no fear. Because once you get 2 months before your exams you should be doing so many prac exam that you become the expert at these types of questions when you reach your exam.

Interestingly I relied on the more worded exam, the difficult one, to redeem my grades back to respectable for methods. My first exam went terrible but my second I could only remember 5 missed marks.
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Re: Thinking like a mathematician
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2013, 08:45:58 am »
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As for the state of mind that will come through with much much practice throughout the year it's too early to decide you don't get this and that. Let your brain store the information and everything will be much clearer.
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Re: Thinking like a mathematician
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2013, 12:56:11 pm »
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I feel like i'm not thinking liking one and when i get a worded question etc i struggle if that makes sense.

For e.g i've nearly completed the 1st chapter of methods and doing fine but why am i doing…  When i start questioning things like why am i plotting this graph what is this what is that, i then start to think what the hell am i doing.  This is really hard to explain…

Short answer: look at every thing in your life mathematically.

Edit: It'll do your head in, but it'll be worth it.

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Re: Thinking like a mathematician
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2013, 01:00:18 pm »
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I feel like i'm not thinking liking one and when i get a worded question etc i struggle if that makes sense.

For e.g i've nearly completed the 1st chapter of methods and doing fine but why am i doing…  When i start questioning things like why am i plotting this graph what is this what is that, i then start to think what the hell am i doing.  This is really hard to explain…

Write out what you are thinking (show working out... draw a diagram etc..) it makes so map out the question much more easier.
Don't worry it's only the start of the year. Doing worded questions can be difficult and is a skill that can be improved by practise.

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Re: Thinking like a mathematician
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2013, 05:18:31 pm »
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There are very few principles in mathematics more important than the following: be as general as possible. This won't make sense off the bat, so let me explain. Expect me to go off on many different tangents (hopefully finitely many); I find it way too easy to talk about this stuff.

Since you're starting unit 1, I'll use the example of simultaneous linear equations. They're presented in this course after they're already been abstracted by centuries of mathematicians, so you see a lot of questions with the same structure: a pair of linear equations in variables and . Why this structure is important or special is not really addressed; at least, it wasn't when I was doing unit 1.

To attempt to explain this (and it will take me a while to get to the point, so bear with me), I will steal an example from A Mathematician's Lament (which I highly recommend reading by the way - google it). If we are given the sum and difference of two numbers, can we find those two numbers? If so, how?

The answer to the first question is yes, we can in fact always find two numbers given their sum and difference. But for my own example, let's say we had less information... just their difference, perhaps. Say we're given that the difference of two numbers is 2.

Well, let's just call the larger number and the smaller number . Their difference is 2 and is the larger one, so we can conclude , or in perhaps a more familiar form, .

From your high school training, you'd know what this is. It can be represented by a straight line if you represent and in the standard Cartesian format. In this example, the interesting thing is that we don't get a unique pair of numbers (since we have a whole line of pairs). There are infinitely many numbers whose difference is 2. This agrees with common sense; pick any number (there are infinitely many of those!) and add 2 (there's always a larger number!), and you've got your pair.

But anyway, what I've hopefully illustrated here is that something fell out of the problem that you could recognise - a straight line equation. This is because we stumbled across a particular straight line, so it was easy to recognise if we already knew about them. Of course, a more general straight line equation can be used for more things than just this problem, and this is an example of why generality is useful.

However, I chose the symbols and because the equation would be more easily recognised as a straight line equation than if I used, say, and . This is perhaps one of the pitfalls of convention; it's easy to miss things if they're not written in a certain way. This is why it's important to look for underlying structure.

Looking for structure ties into generality - sometimes seemingly unrelated objects can share certain features, and you can apply the same ideas in analysing them. In the context of the difference problem, would it matter if we had the equation instead? It certainly wouldn't affect the underlying idea that there are infinitely many pairs of numbers with a difference of 2. So it's important to realise when things are exactly the same thing but for a few labels.

Let's go back to the initial problem, so we know the sum of the two numbers as well; we'll say the sum of two numbers is 10 and the difference of those two numbers is 2. For the sake of variety, we'll call the larger number and the smaller number . So we have and .

If you sketch these on - and -axes, you'll get two straight lines that intersect at some point. I noted before that the difference equation, on its own, provided you with infinitely many pairs of numbers with a difference of 2. Similarly, there are infinitely many pairs of numbers whose sum is 10. These pairs are represented here by points on a plane. There is exactly one intersection point, which tells us that there is exactly one pair of numbers satisfying both of these properties. With some work, you'll find this pair of numbers is 4 and 6.

The way I went about the problem just now used notions of straight line equations and Cartesian coordinates which are familiar to you. In my own time I've also solved the sum and difference problem in a way that didn't require knowledge of these things - just knowledge of what sums and differences are. That's all you really need. But when you're familiar enough with straight line equations, you use them just because they're at your disposal. You can solve the sum and difference problem with less sophisticated (although arguably more elegant) means, but it's a bit like using a quill instead of a pen. Of course, a pen is harder to make (and it's fair to say most people don't make them on their own), but once you have it you tend to use it. There are many parallels with high school math here, which this paragraph is too small to contain.

To recap a bit, the sum and difference problem gave us an opportunity to use knowledge of straight line equations. But mathematicians didn't always have these at their disposal - they needed to realise that straight lines had uses in all sorts of situations, so they figured out what the defining features of a straight line equation were, and then studied their properties. This comes from doing problems like these from scratch. You'd start of with the pair of equations and , without necessarily having seen straight line equations before. Then you might find a way to solve them, by substitution or whatever comes to mind. Then, as a mathematician, you think "Can I still do this if I'm given and ? What about and ?", and you suddenly have the structure of question I mentioned earlier. You find some pairs of equations work and some don't. You look for reasons why. You might find that, intuitively, it relates to straight lines intersecting. Parallel lines cannot intersect at a single point, so they either overlap or miss each other completely and share no points. So if your two equations are 'parallel', you won't get a unique pair of numbers as your answer.

But of course, you don't get to do much of this sort of mathematical thinking in Methods. You're told that some smart guys already figured this out, and you're given ways to recognise each of the situations, with matrix determinants and whatnot. You're just left to solve examples of the different types of simultaneous equations.

On some level, it's good that you're given a theory that can be applied to worded problems, even if there's no real talk about why the theory exists. The word problems are, in essence, what gave rise to the theory, so to tackle word problems, it's good to first try to imagine why the theories you need to apply came about. I personally have no idea where simultaneous equations started; presumably they were derived independently by a number of people. But it doesn't really matter - it's entertaining to think about where ideas might have come from, and it helps you recognise structures in worded problems so you know what you need to do.

I might continue this in another post sometime, this is getting quite long haha.
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Re: Thinking like a mathematician
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2013, 05:31:40 pm »
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*snip*

Thanks mate!



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Re: Thinking like a mathematician
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2013, 06:36:44 pm »
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Have a read through Zeitz's art and craft of problem solving, probably the best book to help you thinking like a mathematician.
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Re: Thinking like a mathematician
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2013, 07:30:32 pm »
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^YES.

I've been gradually reading / working through it over these holidays (as advised by TT earlier), and I definitely think that reading it is the best thing you could do for this particular query.
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Re: Thinking like a mathematician
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2013, 08:48:14 pm »
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Have a read through Zeitz's art and craft of problem solving, probably the best book to help you thinking like a mathematician.

Uhh, yeah the first few chapters have some sound advice and psychological strategies. After that, the actual problem solving was a bit much for me.

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Re: Thinking like a mathematician
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2013, 11:53:34 pm »
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I feel like i'm not thinking liking one and when i get a worded question etc i struggle if that makes sense.

For e.g i've nearly completed the 1st chapter of methods and doing fine but why am i doing…  When i start questioning things like why am i plotting this graph what is this what is that, i then start to think what the hell am i doing.  This is really hard to explain…

Hmm, I've some friends who faced that problem too!
& it's not that they didn't understand everything, they understood all their basics.
They knew how to find the distance between 2 points etc etc
But what went wrong?
They couldn't apply.
Why? I don't know :(

But what I did to help them was to link that problem to something general.
So for instance, length of tunnel would relate to distance between 2 points.
& then once they saw the link, they would be like "ohhhh"

So I guess when you read a worded question, first think of what topic it belongs to.
Probability? Calculus? Functions?
& then narrow it down and then you can basically think of the relevant way(s) to solve it.

I mean like if you have a graph and you're meant to find coordinates given that A is a stationary point of inflection, B is .... C is...
Clearly, you know you have to use differentiation & algebra.

Perhaps the only to perfect this & do it efficiently is to practice.

I'm not entirely sure though, because I always found application as something that came naturally to me.
It was the arithmetic/mathematical bit that always made me trip :/

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Re: Thinking like a mathematician
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2013, 12:24:21 am »
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Uhh, yeah the first few chapters have some sound advice and psychological strategies. After that, the actual problem solving was a bit much for me.
Perhaps this is relevant: http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/182665/getting-students-to-not-fear-confusion

Point is, mathematical maturity comes with patience and perseverance, spending more time amidst confusion and anguish is a good sign that you are improving.
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Re: Thinking like a mathematician
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2013, 12:55:57 am »
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BubbleWrapMan gave a very good explanation. I'll reiterate what he said with three examples of simultaneous equations: the first when there is 1 solution, the second when there are 0 solutions and the third when there are infinite solutions.

1) With simultaneous equations, think of it as two conditions that both need to be met. One condition might be "the sum of these two numbers is 10" and you can find infinite possibilities that meet this condition (it forms a diagonal line on a Cartesian Plane). The other condition might be "the difference between these two numbers is 2" and once again, you can find an infinite number of possibilities that meet this condition, forming a different diagonal line. But to meet both these conditions at once, you must find the intersection between the two lines. There will only be one possibility for this; only one point of intersection. The point of intersection (x1, y1) is just a way of grouping the solutions, rather than saying "the first number is x1 and the second number is y1".

2) If simultaneous equations do not intersect (parallel lines), that means that it is impossible for both conditions to be met at the same time because they are mutually exclusive (there is a link between probability and simultaneous equations, but I'll try not to get side-tracked with that). An example of this is: one condition might be "these two numbers add to 7" and the other condition might be "these two numbers add to 5". If you tried to graph equations like "x + y = 7" and "x + y = 5", you will find that they do not share any points of intersection, because both of these conditions cannot be met at the same time. They might try to throw you off by transposing the equations (eg. "y = -x + 7" and "2x = 10 - 2y"), which might make you view the equations as just random inputs and outputs that happen to be parallel for no particular reason, but once you get them to the format I've shown you, the description of the problem becomes clearer and you'll actually understand why.

3) If there are infinite solutions, due to the lines overlapping, that means that the equations are essentially the same thing, and thus the conditions are the same. For example, if I told you "I bought 10 xylophones and 5 yachts for $50", then I tell you "I made $10 by selling a yacht and 2 xylophones" and I asked you how much a xylophone and yacht are worth, you would end up with equations like "10x + 5y = 50" and "10 = y + 2x", which can both be transposed into the same equation. There is no way for you to tell what a xylophone is worth or what a yacht is worth. They could even be worth negative amounts of money! Maybe someone really hates xylophones so they are treated as rubbish which must be disposed of. If I told you what a xylophone was worth, you could figure out what a yacht was worth, and vice versa, but without that information, you cannot know. The two "conditions" which I gave you were no more helpful than if I'd only given you one condition. They aren't unique conditions because one is just a multiple of the other.

At least, that's how I like to think of simultaneous equations. I can conceptualise probability problems a lot easier than simultaneous equations, so I like to think of each equation as a condition that is being set, and trying to find the intersection between the conditions. It's like if you had a circle and you had another circle. Perhaps the circles overlap and there is an intersection in the middle. Perhaps the circles are mutually exclusive and do not share any common ground (equivalent to parallel lines). Or perhaps both circles consist of the same elements, and thus they are essentially the same thing (infinite solutions).
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Re: Thinking like a mathematician
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2014, 12:02:04 pm »
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Have a read of 'How to solve it by G.Polya. It's got content which isn't too overwhelming for the VCE level.