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Re: Gym thread (2014)
« Reply #60 on: January 06, 2014, 12:22:46 pm »
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Out of curiosity how many hours a day , should someone who wants to be a body builder put in .
about 24.

its only like, 45 mins/day of actual training, but then there's the cardio, the eating, the cooking, the shopping, the sleeping (which is actually important), the tanning, the hair removal and it all takes up time. You often end up just eating in lectures, or walking out of practical classes to eat and then come back.

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Re: Gym thread (2014)
« Reply #61 on: January 06, 2014, 12:33:01 pm »
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Tbh it took me a while to come out of the 'curl' mentality into a recognition of the importance of whole body fitness/strength. I'm glad I did though.

Right now, train in a way that will improve your posture, that will let you breathe better. I guarantee you, almost all women (and men, if you're a girl or gay guy) will be far more attracted to you if you walk into a room with a straight back than with huge arms and a rounded back. I know right now biceps sound brilliant - but do you how sexy a good back is? I would probably turn for a sexy looking back.

Posture is huge too. Try standing, rolling your shoulders in a clockwise rotation and stop when your shoulders are back so if the the top of the shoulders is 12, stop at 3. That's healthy. If you walk around stooped, turnoff.
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Re: Gym thread (2014)
« Reply #62 on: January 06, 2014, 01:34:01 pm »
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Also, bodybuilding is a totally separate sport to powerlifting. Bodybuilders don't care how much you bench, curl, squat or deadlift. They care about how you look on contest day. There is a reason that 'powerlifting form' exists. It allows you to cheat out of a few kilos on your lifts, so yes, you can lift more weight. But that's only because you're using more auxiliary muscles to support your lift. It's counterproductive for bodybuilding.

This is just simply wrong and sounds incredibly naive.

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Re: Gym thread (2014)
« Reply #63 on: January 06, 2014, 03:58:19 pm »
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This is just simply wrong and sounds incredibly naive.
How so?

This might be helpful in explaining the difference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7kUmzfZhgQ
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Re: Gym thread (2014)
« Reply #64 on: January 06, 2014, 04:51:33 pm »
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How so?

This might be helpful in explaining the difference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7kUmzfZhgQ

I'm out at the moment, but tonight I'll get through the post, there was quite a few things wrong with what you said

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Re: Gym thread (2014)
« Reply #65 on: January 06, 2014, 06:00:17 pm »
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Is anyone else here a fan of concentration curls? I find that they give a better pump than straight curls. But maybe that's because I'm pausing at the point of greatest contraction.
Also, speaking of training back, does anyone know any good lower back strength exercises that can improve posture? I've been doing the single pull and seated row for upper, and it helps a lot...But lower back posture is kind of a pain in the *** to fix :P
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Re: Gym thread (2014)
« Reply #66 on: January 06, 2014, 07:00:52 pm »
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Is anyone else here a fan of concentration curls? I find that they give a better pump than straight curls. But maybe that's because I'm pausing at the point of greatest contraction.
Also, speaking of training back, does anyone know any good lower back strength exercises that can improve posture? I've been doing the single pull and seated row for upper, and it helps a lot...But lower back posture is kind of a pain in the *** to fix :P
Proper deadlifts.

Could also lie down on your stomach on a bench (with your hips a little off the forward of the bench), bend forward and then back up. Like doing a sit up off a bench but in reverse.
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« Reply #67 on: January 06, 2014, 07:05:10 pm »
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How long before going to the gym do you guys eat? And how much?

There's a session with a trainer at 6:30pm I want to go to tomorrow, but I usually have dinner at that exact time lol.


Should I eat an entire dinner at like 5pm or eat something small then have a huge meal after?



Eat something small like a sandwich or some fruit , and take a snack with you to the gym , such as nuts or something . Its not good to eat a meal before hand , it can cause a stitch .

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Re: Gym thread (2014)
« Reply #68 on: January 06, 2014, 07:07:09 pm »
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walked to change channel on television today

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Re: Gym thread (2014)
« Reply #69 on: January 06, 2014, 08:14:19 pm »
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Usually I have a banana and some nuts before heading off to the gym. Prevents cramps and is a decent source of energy

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Re: Gym thread (2014)
« Reply #70 on: January 06, 2014, 09:27:09 pm »
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I'd say  20 minutes before you leave ,around then.
Whenabouts do you reckon though

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Re: Gym thread (2014)
« Reply #71 on: January 06, 2014, 09:53:03 pm »
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Also, bodybuilding is a totally separate sport to powerlifting.
I’m not sure what you were getting at here so correct if I’m reading too much into what you stated, but the two sports are very similar. They both focus on progressive overload (for bodybuilding at least as a beginner and intermediate), they obviously both use very similar forms of resistance (albeit exercise selection may vary depending on the lifter), diet is integral to success in both sports, rep ranges and volume is also similar the majority of the time for each sport (powerlifters do ‘peak’ their lifts come competition, ie. Handle loads closer to maximal effort. Also, programming in powerlifting does vary a lot so some lifters will focus there entire regime around heavy lifting). You are correct in the essence of powerlifting is to move maximal weight and that of bodybuilding is to create an aesthetically pleasing physique, but this does not mean that they are totally separate sports. Simply put, in general it would not be obvious to someone in the gym as to whether or not someone in training for bodybuilding or powerlifting or both. Finally, many of the great legends in bodybuilding started out in powerlifting and vice versa. I personally would recommend a strength based program to a beginner bodybuilder as to allow them to create a strong foundation in to which to build their body from.

Bodybuilders don't care how much you bench, curl, squat or deadlift.
Powerlifters don’t focus on the curl either, they focus on the other lifts because they are an expression of basic human movements common to everyday life, which are an atleast somewhat accurate representation of a lifters strength. This is just an inherent difference between the two sports, not necessarily good or bad.

There is a reason that 'powerlifting form' exists. It allows you to cheat out of a few kilos on your lifts, so yes, you can lift more weight.

Powerlifting form does not exist to cheat out a few kilos. I don’t know how you have even come to this conclusion. First of all, powerlifters lift in a way such that the heaviest load can be moved most efficiently and safely. I’ll take the bench press as an example, as the form of the squat and deadlift between both sports is identical. The powerlifting bench press simply put encourages scapula retraction, a natural arch in the back and feet to be planted firmly on the floor. The scapulae are retracted so that the shoulder is put into a safer position to move a load to and from the chest. The natural arch means that the scapulae can be more effectively retracted and encourages the lifter to flare the latissimus dorsi and create a stable base to push the weight from, the feet are planted in order to encourage this stable base in which total body tightness can be achieved (again allowing the lifter to safely perform a lift as maximal effort). Secondly, whereas bodybuilders are competing on physique, powerlifters are competing on lifts, again just an inherent difference neither good nor bad. This means that cheating a few kilos will get the lifter’s lift disqualified, (ie. Lifting your glutes of the bench during the bench press, hitching the deadlift by resting on your knees or not hitting an appropriate depth on the squat). The rules on which they base disqualified lifts are to my knowledge put in place for two reasons, one to create consistency as to what is considered an acceptable lift and secondly so that lifters can lift in the safest manner (ie. Squatting to a depth too high puts excessive strain on the knee joint, hitching a deadlift puts excessive strain on the lumbar spine). 

It's counterproductive for bodybuilding.
 
Again, this just isn’t true. As I said before I would actually recommend a bodybuilder to start on an appropriately chosen strength based program. Take a look a Layne Norton’s PHAT program that is precisely a mix of bodybuilding and powerlifting. Layne Norton is a very successful natural bodybuilder who sees how the two sports are very complimentary.

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Re: Gym thread (2014)
« Reply #72 on: January 07, 2014, 09:07:04 am »
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walked to change channel on television today

do you not have a remote control, how can you live like this

serious post: if there are any girls here who want to do more than just cardio and are intimidated by all the guys in this thread I recommend http://www.reddit.com/r/xxfitness as a resource :)
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Re: Gym thread (2014)
« Reply #73 on: January 07, 2014, 02:33:23 pm »
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Anyone have any tips on how to feel less tired after a gym session? I usually go after school from 3.30 - 4.30 (sometimes 5) and when I get back I want to sleep. Resting for 30 minutes isn't enough and if anything, I feel more tired after a 30 minute nap

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Re: Gym thread (2014)
« Reply #74 on: January 07, 2014, 03:14:12 pm »
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Anyone have any tips on how to feel less tired after a gym session? I usually go after school from 3.30 - 4.30 (sometimes 5) and when I get back I want to sleep. Resting for 30 minutes isn't enough and if anything, I feel more tired after a 30 minute nap
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