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Re: andrew's really crappy chem thread
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2014, 07:57:18 pm »
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Re: andrew's really crappy chem thread
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2014, 08:06:04 pm »
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what about in determining what undergoes what for:



just need to refresh my memory on redox..

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Re: andrew's really crappy chem thread
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2014, 09:01:02 pm »
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An easy way at looking at it is that Ag has an oxidation number of +1  and Br has an oxidation number of -1 in AgBr.
On the products side Ag and Br both have oxidation numbers of 0.
So we can see that Ag went from +1 to 0 whereas Br went from -1 to 0.
Ag's oxidation number decreased so it is the oxidant.
Br's oxidation number increased so it is the reductant.
 
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Re: andrew's really crappy chem thread
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2014, 09:57:08 am »
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how would i show what has been oxidised and reduced in:



with and without the use of oxidation numbers? since this is a question from the textbook before the explanation of oxidation numbers in redox reactions..

With oxidation numbers:
To begin with, we're dealing with solid, metal zinc. This has an oxidation number of 0. After this reaction, the product is ZnO, an ionic compound. We known that oxygen has an oxidation number of -2. Therefore, because the overall charge of the ionic compound is 0, we know that the oxidation number of the Zinc ion must be 2+. 2+ means that 2 electrons have been lost by the zinc ion (i.e. cation). We know that oxidation is the loss of electrons; thus, we know that zinc is the reductant, which has been oxidised.

Oxygen gas has an oxidation number of 0. The oxygen anion has a charge of -2. -2 means that oxygen has gained 2 electrons. Because it has gained two electrons, we say that oxygen is the oxidant, that has been reduced.

Without oxidation numbers:

Zn --> Zn2++ 2e
4e + O2 + --> 2O2-

Zinc has lost electrons (has been oxidised) and oxygen has gained electrons, has been reduced.
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Re: andrew's really crappy chem thread
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2014, 02:11:27 pm »
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...Because it has gained two electrons, we say that oxygen is the oxidation, that has been reduced.

Oxygen is the oxidant***, that has been reduced.

Zinc is the reductant that has been oxidised. And oxygen is the oxidant which has been reduced. :)
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Re: andrew's really crappy chem thread
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2014, 02:13:41 pm »
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Oxygen is the oxidant***, that has been reduced.

Zinc is the reductant that has been oxidised. And oxygen is the oxidant which has been reduced. :)

oops, typo! LOL OMG oxygen is the oxidation - that doesn't even make sense (I'm so dumb)!
Thanks for pointing that out.
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Re: andrew's really crappy chem thread
« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2014, 08:48:04 pm »
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Re: andrew's really crappy chem thread
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2014, 10:06:10 pm »
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what is reduced and what is oxidised in the equation:

?

Also, see would the oxidation number of O be.. -12? (in total) since there would be 6 oxygen atoms? Or do i disregard that since it usually refers to mole ratios in stoich
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Re: andrew's really crappy chem thread
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2014, 10:21:38 pm »
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what is reduced and what is oxidised in the equation:

?

Also, see would the oxidation number of O be.. -12? (in total) since there would be 6 oxygen atoms? Or do i disregard that since it usually refers to mole ratios in stoich

O has an oxidation number of -2 (in most cases). Therefore, Iron on the left has an oxidation number of -3 and an oxidation number of 0 on the right. Carbon on the left has an oxidation number of -2, and on the right an oxidation number of -4.
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Re: andrew's really crappy chem thread
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2014, 10:23:02 pm »
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O has an oxidation number of -2 (in most cases). Therefore, Iron on the left has an oxidation number of -3 and an oxidation number of 0 on the right. Carbon on the left has an oxidation number of -2, and on the right an oxidation number of -4.
You can do the rest now :)

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Re: andrew's really crappy chem thread
« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2014, 03:14:16 am »
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Ah. Oxidation numbers. How delightful.

I think of it this way. The oxidation number of an atom in a compound is the average charge the atom would have if all bonds were considered to be fully ionic. In covalent bonds, the electrons are treated to belong to the more electronegative atom.

In a truly equal bond, like the nitrogen triple bond with itself, the electrons are really shared and the oxidation number is, well, zero.

In something like water, as hydrogen is less electronegative, both hydrogens are treated as not owning the electrons in the covalent bonds, so the oxidation number of hydrogen there is +1 (each hydrogen is seen as losing one electron each for a total charge of +2 for two hydrogens; average is +1). Similarly, the oxygen gains an electron from each hydrogen by this model => oxidation number of -2. Indeed, as oxygen is so electronegative, we normally assign its oxidation number automatically as -2 and fluorine's as -1 (true for ALL fluroine compounds except F2). We assign hydrogen as +1 automatically because its electronegativity is quite low and it tends to lo se its electron.

What about compounds that have fractional oxidation numbers? Let's consider something like propane. Using conventional methods, we find that propane has an oxidation number on the carbon as -8/3. This means that the AVERAGE of the individual oxidation numbers if -8/3. Let's see why.
Propane can be written as CH3-CH2-CH3. The first and third carbons have three hydrogens attached each, so they gain three electrons each (remembering that carbon is more electronegative than hydrogen but only marginally). They are both bonded to the second carbon as well but C-C bonds are symmetrical => no contribution to O.N here.
Now, the second carbon only has two hydrogens attached, so its oxidation number is -2. We have two -3s and a -2 for an average of -8/3. This can be extended to more complex molecules, but it's not really needed for the VCE course. Indeed, you can get by in VCE without knowing what oxidation numbers really are, but I think it's helpful if you had an idea of where they came from.

Reduction = oxidation number decreases. Reductant causes the other reactant to be reduced (it itself is oxidised). Work out the others yourself from this.

O has an oxidation number of -2 (in most cases). Therefore, Iron on the left has an oxidation number of -3 and an oxidation number of 0 on the right. Carbon on the left has an oxidation number of -2, and on the right an oxidation number of -4.
You can do the rest now :)

Typos; iron oxidation number is +3 :P also, the carbon ONs are both positive as they're both bonded to oxygens.
Metals almost always have positive ONs and their ONs are equal to their charges if they exist as ions.
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Re: andrew's really crappy chem thread
« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2014, 10:57:14 am »
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Re: andrew's really crappy chem thread
« Reply #27 on: January 24, 2014, 12:30:20 pm »
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How would i write ionic half equations and hence a balanced overall ionic equation for the reaction as follows:

Manganese dioxide (MnO2) reacts with concentrated hydrochloric acid to form chlorine gas and a solution containing manganese (II) ions

I've done one -



the answer to the second ionic equation is



where the hell is the hydrochloric acid in that second ionic equation?

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Re: andrew's really crappy chem thread
« Reply #28 on: January 24, 2014, 12:46:34 pm »
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How would i write ionic half equations and hence a balanced overall ionic equation for the reaction as follows:

Manganese dioxide (MnO2) reacts with concentrated hydrochloric acid to form chlorine gas and a solution containing manganese (II) ions

I've done one -



the answer to the second ionic equation is



where the hell is the hydrochloric acid in that second ionic equation?

2e + 4H+ + MnO2  --> Mn2+ + 2H2O

2HCl --> Cl2 + 2H+ + 2e

Overall

2HCl(aq) + MnO2(s) + 2H+(aq) ---> Mn2+(aq) + 2H2O(l) + Cl2(g)

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Re: andrew's really crappy chem thread
« Reply #29 on: January 24, 2014, 12:56:35 pm »
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2e + 4H+ + MnO2  --> Mn2+ + 2H2O

2HCl --> Cl2 + 2H+ + 2e

Overall

2HCl(aq) + MnO2(s) + 2H+(aq) ---> Mn2+(aq) + 2H2O(l) + Cl2(g)

theres no 'HCl' in the answer... (for some odd reason)
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