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Re: UoM Maths Thread
« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2014, 08:54:18 pm »
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Worked fine for me. Did you make sure to click "grade now" when you finished? Also, it was due yesterday so if you're trying to submit it now, then that's probably why.

I finished it a day before it was due and i clicked grade. i even remember that it said 12/12 but now it gives me 0/12. i really hope that it's a mistake :-[
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« Reply #31 on: March 16, 2014, 09:06:19 pm »
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I have two questions for the maths geniuses here! They're both from Q.15 of Sheet 1 in the Calculus 2 problem booklet.

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How do? D:
I can't work out how any of the parts would give me something finite for both ends of [value]<[expression]<[value].

For part a, you can use 3^n+1>3^n but 3^n+1<2*3^n
So, we have 3^n<3^n + 1 < 2*3^n
Raising all three of these to the power of 1/n:
3<(3^n+1)^n<2^(1/n)*3

As n approaches infinity, 1/n approaches 0 so 2^(1/n) approaches 1. Thus the first and third limits approach 3 (well the first one IS 3 identically), so by the Sandwich Theorem your limit is 3. Sort of makes sense if you see how irrelevant the +1 becomes in the bracket.
Of course, you could also have done this by taking out a factor of 3^n: (3^n + 1)^(1/n) = 3*(1 + 3^-n)^(1/n). The power approaches zero and the thing inside the bracket approaches 1, leaving the constant 3 outside.


As for b...I think you can just tell that this will be 0. Oh well, time for a better proof.

In all honesty, I don't know why you'd need the Sandwich theorem for this one. It's so obvious if you write out each individual term (you know, how n!/n^n = 1/n^n * 2/n^n * 3/n^n etc). Oh well.
You can appreciate that n!/n^n is smaller than 1/n as if you write out all of the terms above and replace all of the terms in the numerator except 1 with n, you get 1/n. Similarly, n!/n^n is clearly larger than 0.
So we have 0<n!/n^n<1/n. What happens if we let n become large? The third term becomes zero, the first term IS zero and the second term is stuck between. GG limit question.
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Re: UoM Maths Thread
« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2014, 09:19:37 pm »
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I have two questions for the maths geniuses here! They're both from Q.15 of Sheet 1 in the Calculus 2 problem booklet.

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How do? D:
I can't work out how any of the parts would give me something finite for both ends of [value]<[expression]<[value].

Hmm, from your userbar I see you're doing BioMed, and yet you do Maths too??? Can you please explain how this work? So confuse.
I'm yet to research into the structure of Uni courses btw, so do forgive me for that...and for sidetracking this thread (but I somehow suppose this IS related to UoM maths, right?). NOT

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« Reply #33 on: March 16, 2014, 09:40:01 pm »
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Hmm, from your userbar I see you're doing BioMed, and yet you do Maths too??? Can you please explain how this work? So confuse.
I'm yet to research into the structure of Uni courses btw, so do forgive me for that...and for sidetracking this thread (but I somehow suppose this IS related to UoM maths, right?). NOT

I'm presuming you're assuming that I'm doing biomed because of my ATAR? Please do NOT assume that.
I'm doing a BSc at Melbourne Uni, but I learnt a bit of uni maths during high school so I know how to do simple limits.
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« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2014, 09:50:50 pm »
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I'm presuming you're assuming that I'm doing biomed because of my ATAR? Please do NOT assume that.
I'm doing a BSc at Melbourne Uni, but I learnt a bit of uni maths during high school so I know how to do simple limits.
Uh, he quoted the person who asked the question, awks  ::)
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« Reply #35 on: March 16, 2014, 10:02:09 pm »
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he was referring to Nikoli you silly sausage

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« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2014, 10:56:03 pm »
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alchemyyyyy: If you pick the Bioengineering Systems pathway for first year, instead of the standard pathway, then you get to do Calculus 2 with all the BSc (and others) people. :D
EDIT: Page 9 of this explains it.

Thanks. That seems interesting, mainly because I never knew you could do that. I also never knew that VCE Physics had any relevance whatsover as a prerequisite until I read page 9 of that document...LOL

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Re: UoM Maths Thread
« Reply #37 on: March 16, 2014, 11:26:00 pm »
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I'm presuming you're assuming that I'm doing biomed because of my ATAR? Please do NOT assume that.
I'm doing a BSc at Melbourne Uni, but I learnt a bit of uni maths during high school so I know how to do simple limits.

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Re: UoM Maths Thread
« Reply #38 on: April 10, 2014, 10:02:38 pm »
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Quick Q,
For a subspace to exist, does the 0 vector (0,0,0) have to exist for it to be considered non empty? Or can any point satisfy this?

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Re: UoM Maths Thread
« Reply #39 on: April 10, 2014, 10:17:53 pm »
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as long as you can show a point exists, you've satisfied that it is non empty because it's well, not empty >.<
but note, if 0 isn't an element of the space, then the space is not closed under scalar multiplication and therefore not a subspace.

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Re: UoM Maths Thread
« Reply #40 on: April 10, 2014, 10:18:41 pm »
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Re: UoM Maths Thread
« Reply #41 on: April 10, 2014, 10:19:46 pm »
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In order for a subspace to exist it has to contain the zero vector (it will by definition) but also needs to contain non-trivial vectors that satisfy the closure under vector addition and scalar multiplication conditions
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Re: UoM Maths Thread
« Reply #42 on: April 10, 2014, 10:56:05 pm »
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not really, the zero vector itself is a subspace of all vector spaces because it satisfies the conditions being (0)non-empty, (1)closed under addition and (2)closed under scalar multiplication.

with that said, the zero subspace is not a particularly interesting one.

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« Reply #43 on: April 10, 2014, 11:12:11 pm »
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Umm.. so to clarify,
If (0,0,0) doesn't exist, I would set out to prove that it violates the multiplication rule and then say therefore not a subspace?
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« Reply #44 on: April 10, 2014, 11:27:14 pm »
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Yep. If (0,0,0) isn't part of your set, then you can show that your space is not closed under scalar multiplication by zero.
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