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Re: Class of 2016!!
« Reply #450 on: November 24, 2015, 08:11:31 pm »
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Melbourne CBD would be good for me :)
Same here. Hoping I can come along but not sure when I'm going to be rostered for work and whatnot.

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Re: Class of 2016!!
« Reply #451 on: November 24, 2015, 08:36:47 pm »
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Omg guys less than 20 days until our 3/4 study scores are released!! :O

(not sure how I feel about this...)

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Re: Class of 2016!!
« Reply #452 on: November 24, 2015, 08:44:36 pm »
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Omg guys less than 20 days until our 3/4 study scores are released!! :O

(not sure how I feel about this...)
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE IVE BEEN STRESSING OUT ITS LIKE A ROLLERCOASTER
ONE DAY IS LIKE YEAA MAYBE I CAN GET A 47
THE NEXT DAY IS LIKE PLS O LORD GIVE ME A 43 HAVE MERCY ON MY SOUL
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Re: Class of 2016!!
« Reply #453 on: November 24, 2015, 09:25:14 pm »
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DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE IVE BEEN STRESSING OUT ITS LIKE A ROLLERCOASTER
ONE DAY IS LIKE YEAA MAYBE I CAN GET A 47
THE NEXT DAY IS LIKE PLS O LORD GIVE ME A 43 HAVE MERCY ON MY SOUL
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Re: Class of 2016!!
« Reply #454 on: November 24, 2015, 09:51:27 pm »
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DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE IVE BEEN STRESSING OUT ITS LIKE A ROLLERCOASTER
ONE DAY IS LIKE YEAA MAYBE I CAN GET A 47
THE NEXT DAY IS LIKE PLS O LORD GIVE ME A 43 HAVE MERCY ON MY SOUL

You just described my life for the past few days. ;-;
Its the having-one-3/4-to-obsess-about lyfe.
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Re: Class of 2016!!
« Reply #455 on: November 24, 2015, 10:01:30 pm »
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You just described my life for the past few days. ;-;
Its the having-one-3/4-to-obsess-about lyfe.
its an exciting experience -- thinking about the day where you get to see your results online and its not handed to you by your teacher - some crazy stuff :3
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Re: Class of 2016!!
« Reply #456 on: November 25, 2015, 02:15:18 am »
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for someone (me) who as u know is a perth living human- can someone plz explain the study score thing...we just do percentages and ranks...plz :)
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Re: Class of 2016!!
« Reply #457 on: November 25, 2015, 08:17:06 am »
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for someone (me) who as u know is a perth living human- can someone plz explain the study score thing...we just do percentages and ranks...plz :)

My (relatively simplistic) understanding of it is:
Now in a spoiler because I wrote more than I intended

Basic stuff first: Study score caps at 50 and Can't be less than 1. Although I've never heard of a SS of 1 so chances are the lower limit might be a bit higher than that. Study score for any given class is made up of three graded assessments (GAs); generally these will be 'unit 3', 'unit 4' and 'exam', but in maths (and maybe other classes?? I don't read study designs for fun ::) ) it's 'unit 3/4', 'exam 1' and 'exam 2'.

The exams are pretty self-explanatory, but 'unit x' refers to your SAC average for a subject. These values can be changed to be lower or higher depending on how difficult the VCAA decides your work is, which is determined through audits (they random grab a number of SACs (completed/marked) and check them to make sure they pertain to the study design and that the teachers haven't marked it too easy) and the General Achievement Test (GAT), which assesses general skills like relatively basic numeracy and literacy (think NAPLAN, but for big kids ::) ). If a cohort does exceptionally well on the GAT, SAC scores will be scaled up because that means that they are performing above the expected level (good examples of this are selective schools like MHS and MacRob that 'weed out' potential poor scores and raise their averages significantly; but also by only accepting high-level students they're also able to teach at a higher level). Similarly, if a school performs averagely, little or no change will be made to SAC scores; and the same with school that do poorly - their marks will be scaled down. On the individual level, exam scores will also play a part in how SACs are scaled.

As an example; a student at the Imaginary Selective School for Boys (ISSB) averaged about 86% for his SACs but his school performs very well on the GAT. Another student, studying the same subject at Another Made Up Public School (AMUPS) , manages 96%. Unfortunately, this school performs pretty far below average on the GAT. Their scaled scores respectively could look closer to 97% and 84%, respectively. This doesn't have an effect on ranking, but rather serves to standardise the scores across the state so they can be properly compared.

That on its own wouldn't make the system fair though - if that were the case no one who cared about their results would go to a public school because it's very unlikely that they could manage a high average (and usually 90%+ on SACs is paramount for a high SS in competitive subjects, like maths), and even if they did it would be adjusted to fit their cohort better so a SAC average of 100% would be less like finding a shiny ralts (1/4096, ~0.02%) and more like hatching a modest shiny ralts that learns synchronoise (??, far less than 0.02% though ::) ). Anyway, to re-even the playing field, these high-averaging students (let's assume they're both rank 1 because I don't understand rankings very well. (Thankfully, Hamo does;) ) are assessed on the same exam (obviously) so if the AMUPS kid can manage a high score then their SACs can still be scaled up to 100%. I'm not particularly knowledgeable about what exam scores are cut-offs for SAC scaling but I assume that it's normally distributed - point is, high exam marks ⇒ high study score.

But not all GAs are created equally. In a subject like Literature, it's weighted 25:25:50 (GA1:GA2:GA3), where GA1 is unit 3 SACs, GA2 is unit 4 SACs and GA3 is the exam. This setup is generally considered the 'equal' one and appears across a couple of other subjects. In Methods and Specialist, it's more like 17:17:22:44 (unit 3 : unit 4 : exam 1 : exam 2), which first and foremost is not three GAs and that's not right. What happens is the average between unit 3 and unit 4 is used - if a student had an average of 87% for unit 3 and an average of 93% for unit 4, their unscaled GA1 will like more like 90%. Not particularly related, but if you're curious why it's 22:44 for the exams it's partly because Exam 2 is calculator and note active. Also interesting is because further maths is always calc/note active the GAs are nearly exactly equal, at (34:33:33).

You'd think that'd be it, but nope - there's more. Study Scores are also normally distributed - far fewer students will get a SS of 50 than those who get 30. I don't know the exact numbers or a way to model them (although if someone could point me in that direction, that'd be cool), but there's some littered through the VCAA website and the documents that they publish throughout the year.

Finally, not all subjects are created equal - some study scores scale up, and some study scores scale down. This is determined by exam scores - if the highest mark for an exam is 80% (as an example) then the exam is classed more difficult than normal; this won't hurt the study scores of anyone in the subject because the scores will be standardised (actually they would anyway but that's not the point) and, most likely, that 80% will be treated as 100%. It can also be determined in a more general sense - the easiest example is with maths again. Specialist is harder than further maths so it wouldn't be fair if a 30 in specialist was the same as a 30 in further (have a look at this, if you're curious). Not sure on the exact workings of this, but I believe there's a 'base in/decrease', then give or take a bit depending on how the exam goes.

Then a student's scaled study scores are put together in an 'aggregate' which is then modeled in a normal distribution to calculate the ATAR. Not going to get into that too much, but only 6 study scores can be included in an ATAR calculation. Further restrictions are that your top 3 study scores and your top english are the only ones worth full value. No more than two maths or two englishes can be included in an ATAR calculation this main part of the aggregate. This roughly defines your 'primary four', and any subjects that are not apart of the primary 4 are worth 10% of their study score (theoretically up to +5.5*). If you've completed more than 6 VCE subjects, your 6 highest scores will be used and the others will be ignored.

* This value is assuming a 50 in specialist maths, which scales to 55. I said 'theoretically' because there's no way a 55 wouldn't be included in your primary four because it's the highest possible study score (I believe) for any class. Pretty sure since there are so few other subjects that are scaled over 50 (Methods, barely. Maybe one or two others?) that the maximum possible aggregate you could get for a 10% increase is 5.

although imo literature should scale more, vcaa pls

TL;DR: Everything is normally distributed. You cannot escape the normal distribution.

For the sake of seriousness though, a study score is calculated to make students equal (and it looks neater than a bunch on percentages) by taking each graded assessment and standardising it, then applying weighting to come up with a preliminary value. Then it's normally distributed again and some fairy dust is thrown on it so that it's fair and it becomes the value that's used in the ATAR calculation.
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Re: Class of 2016!!
« Reply #458 on: November 25, 2015, 03:57:56 pm »
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DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE IVE BEEN STRESSING OUT ITS LIKE A ROLLERCOASTER
ONE DAY IS LIKE YEAA MAYBE I CAN GET A 47
THE NEXT DAY IS LIKE PLS O LORD GIVE ME A 43 HAVE MERCY ON MY SOUL

Hey, I wish I was a confident as you - most of subjects range from me thinking "I can get 42" to "I might scrap 28!!!"

And then there's that one subject where you suddenly become the most devote religious person praying for 25 like your life depends on it
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Re: Class of 2016!!
« Reply #459 on: November 25, 2015, 05:01:34 pm »
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Hey, I wish I was a confident as you - most of subjects range from me thinking "I can get 42" to "I might scrap 28!!!"

And then there's that one subject where you suddenly become the most devote religious person praying for 25 like your life depends on it
damn you're a crazy cat... doing 5 3/4s before year 12... you're on another level than us plebs who only do 2 3/4s in yr 11
- but yeah man working as hard as i did (and as many as us on AN do) i think those scores are a reflection of my effort I try to be as confident as i can because i feel like ive earned it...
btw just out of sheer curiosity how on earth did you manage to do 5 3/4s before year 12.. like what was going through your mind and your school's mind when this happened?
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Re: Class of 2016!!
« Reply #460 on: November 25, 2015, 05:55:37 pm »
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damn you're a crazy cat... doing 5 3/4s before year 12... you're on another level than us plebs who only do 2 3/4s in yr 11
- but yeah man working as hard as i did (and as many as us on AN do) i think those scores are a reflection of my effort I try to be as confident as i can because i feel like ive earned it...
btw just out of sheer curiosity how on earth did you manage to do 5 3/4s before year 12.. like what was going through your mind and your school's mind when this happened?

No, no good on you for being confident!! I honestly wish I was - my study score predictions are not a reflection on how much effort I put in (months and months of solid hard work) but rather my complete and utter lack of faith in myself. And as for the 5 3/4s in year eleven its just a perk of accelerating through high school (doing year 10 curriculum in year 9, year 11 in 10 and year 12 in 11, etc)  :)
I've not known any different so it doesn't really worry me haha
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Re: Class of 2016!!
« Reply #461 on: November 27, 2015, 07:17:28 pm »
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I'm basically crying in a corner, dreading getting my bio exam results lmao  :P
Is anyone else done with school/pre year 12 classes (if you have those?). I finished yesterday and i have to say I'm really excited/so happy/nervous/completely terrified about Classics 3/4 since I haven't done 1/2 hahahah and all my other subjects are basically what I expected them to be but I'm also daunted by the apparent 'step-up' from 1/2 to 3/4 for the 5 subjects (funnily enough didn't really feel this way with bio but I guess its coz i focused mostly on that one subject)  :-\ anyone else experiencing this feeling?
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Re: Class of 2016!!
« Reply #462 on: November 28, 2015, 12:20:41 am »
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I'm basically crying in a corner, dreading getting my bio exam results lmao  :P
Is anyone else done with school/pre year 12 classes (if you have those?). I finished yesterday and i have to say I'm really excited/so happy/nervous/completely terrified about Classics 3/4 since I haven't done 1/2 hahahah and all my other subjects are basically what I expected them to be but I'm also daunted by the apparent 'step-up' from 1/2 to 3/4 for the 5 subjects (funnily enough didn't really feel this way with bio but I guess its coz i focused mostly on that one subject)  :-\ anyone else experiencing this feeling?

I started my year 12 classes yesterday Thursday; everything's going pretty sweet, I'm super happy with all my teachers and classes. My spesh class merged in with the other one so now there's 40 people in our room making noise which really bothers me (I'm a prude, yolo) but by the looks of it, we'll have downsized to 25-30 by 2016 so it'll probably be a bit more manageable.

As for classics, who are you studying? Pure-greek, romans or greco-roman? I can probably hook you up with some of my notes and point you in the direction of some good books or something if you're interested.

Personally, I haven't found anything particularly difficult (if anything, too easy), but my school's not well known for the bright students so I suppose I should have expected it ::)

On another note, did you guys know we're meant to be able to read green whiteboard marker? I recently got glasses and apparently green text isn't meant to be torture ::)
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Re: Class of 2016!!
« Reply #463 on: November 28, 2015, 11:28:56 am »
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16 days.  :'(
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Re: Class of 2016!!
« Reply #464 on: November 28, 2015, 12:14:44 pm »
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16 days.  :'(

Part of me wants to get my SS right now so it's out the way...

The other part of me hopes it gets lost and I never find out... :/