Taking ELEN20005 and MAST20029 over the summer

[Renaissance]

I am planning on taking ELEN20005 Foundation of Electrical Networks and MAST20029 Engineering Mathematics over this summer because I want to have more free spots in my degree later on this year.

Has anyone taken 1 of these subjects or both of these subject over the summer?

What is the workload like? Could you please give me some tips on how I can succeed in these subject if I take them over the summer?

I found calculus 2 quite easy so I am feeling confident taking MAST20029 but I am not sure what it will be like taking it over the summer since I have never done summer subjects before.

I have the option of taking ELEN20005 and a breadth instead of ELEN20005 and MAST20029 so would that be a better idea?

Who teaches MAST20029 over the summer? I really hope it is Dr Christine Mangelsdorf. She was so much better than the other teachers for calculus 2.

Would very much appreciate any help.

[LOLs99]

Hey , I was thinking of taking those 2 subjects as well. But im not sure whether it is capable or not since the contact hours will be around 20hrs a weeks and exams in like 6 weeks.

[Renaissance]

Hey , I was thinking of taking those 2 subjects as well. But im not sure whether it is capable or not since the contact hours will be around 20hrs a weeks and exams in like 6 weeks.

We do 4 subjects in 12 weeks over a semester so I don't think doing 2 subjects in 6 weeks over the summer is that much worse. I am only speculating though since I have never done a summer subject, which is why I was hoping someone who has done these subjects would offer some advice.

I will most likely do it. If not these 2 subjects, then I will do ELEN20005 and some easy breadth but I will definitely do 2 subjects since I am doing a diploma so I don't want to have to overload for 4 semesters, that would be crazy.

Another problem will be clashes. The SSC told me that clashes are common for summer subjects so it is difficult to do more than 1 subject. I hope they try to avoid clashes for these two subjects since they are probably a popular combination. If clashes become a major issue then I will replace MAST20029 with a breadth. Not sure which breadth since the options for summer breadth are very limited.

I heard that if you did very well in physics 2, ESD 2, and calculus 2, then these two subjects shouldn't be too bad.

[Deleted User]

Anyone know when the cutoff date to enroll in MAST20029 (Summer Semester) is? Thinking of doing it as a breadth.

[LOLs99]

We do 4 subjects in 12 weeks over a semester so I don't think doing 2 subjects in 6 weeks over the summer is that much worse. I am only speculating though since I have never done a summer subject, which is why I was hoping someone who has done these subjects would offer some advice.

I will most likely do it. If not these 2 subjects, then I will do ELEN20005 and some easy breadth but I will definitely do 2 subjects since I am doing a diploma so I don't want to have to overload for 4 semesters, that would be crazy.

Another problem will be clashes. The SSC told me that clashes are common for summer subjects so it is difficult to do more than 1 subject. I hope they try to avoid clashes for these two subjects since they are probably a popular combination. If clashes become a major issue then I will replace MAST20029 with a breadth. Not sure which breadth since the options for summer breadth are very limited.

I heard that if you did very well in physics 2, ESD 2, and calculus 2, then these two subjects shouldn't be too bad.

I was more worrying about the heat in January that might affect my mood to study hahaha
Yeah that makes sense to me so which diploma are u doing?
I think the timetable for 2015 on the sws.unimelb.edu.au will be quite accurate to tell you whether those 2 subjects clash together. Taking finance 1 or business finance as a breath subject over the summer would be pretty good along with ELEN20005.
I am still deciding whether I should do 1 or 2 summer subjects because I just want to underload  for the 2nd semester or next year when those subjects get a bit crazy. Those are level 1 subjects so I am not sure how tough is level 2 eng subjects..

Anyone know when the cutoff date to enroll in MAST20029 (Summer Semester) is? Thinking of doing it as a breadth.

cutoff date for summer and next yr subject enrolment is 10th Dec 3pm.

[Renaissance]

I was more worrying about the heat in January that might affect my mood to study hahaha
Yeah that makes sense to me so which diploma are u doing?
I think the timetable for 2015 on the sws.unimelb.edu.au will be quite accurate to tell you whether those 2 subjects clash together. Taking finance 1 or business finance as a breath subject over the summer would be pretty good along with ELEN20005.
I am still deciding whether I should do 1 or 2 summer subjects because I just want to underload  for the 2nd semester or next year when those subjects get a bit crazy. Those are level 1 subjects so I am not sure how tough is level 2 eng subjects..

I haven't thought about the heat but I am really excited to take these subjects. I really enjoyed digital systems and electricity and magnetism in physics 2 so ELEN20005 will hopefully be fun. MAST20029 shouldn't be bad either, although I don't like vector calculus that much.

Most likely the software diploma. If not that, then the maths diploma. I am already doing 6 maths subjects so I only need 2 more to do the maths diploma but one problem is that MAST20029 doesn't count towards any maths major so I shouldn't do it if I am serious about the maths diploma but I think the software diploma is more useful and interesting and gives me a lot more flexibility interms of jobs and grad school.

I will not do finance as breadth. Never again. I did finance 1 and it was a huge mistake. If I was to do a summer breadth, I will either do intermediate microecon, which seems tough, managing organisations, or something easy.

[cameronp]

I haven't thought about the heat but I am really excited to take these subjects. I really enjoyed digital systems and electricity and magnetism in physics 2 so ELEN20005 will hopefully be fun. MAST20029 shouldn't be bad either, although I don't like vector calculus that much.

Most likely the software diploma. If not that, then the maths diploma. I am already doing 6 maths subjects so I only need 2 more to do the maths diploma but one problem is that MAST20029 doesn't count towards any maths major so I shouldn't do it if I am serious about the maths diploma but I think the software diploma is more useful and interesting and gives me a lot more flexibility interms of jobs and grad school.

AFAIK: If you're going to do an applied maths major, you'll need to do the 2nd year Vector Calc / DEs stream rather than Engineering Maths. For the other maths majors (pure / stats / OR) I think you can do Engineering Maths; although it isn't a prereq for any of those majors I'd argue that it covers important basic skills for anyone who wants to call themselves a mathematician.

As for the software diploma vs maths diploma ... well, I'm pretty biased having majored in maths (and now doing even more maths) and having previously worked as a programmer. I found it much easier to pick up comp sci / programming skills as I needed them than maths, and higher-level maths is (in my opinion) more fun and mind-bending than computer science. If you can demonstrate your programming skills to an employer in some other way to get your first "real" programming job, the lack of diploma/comp sci major isn't likely to be a problem. I do think that both maths and computing are important skills for anyone in science or engineering to have.

[Renaissance]

AFAIK: If you're going to do an applied maths major, you'll need to do the 2nd year Vector Calc / DEs stream rather than Engineering Maths. For the other maths majors (pure / stats / OR) I think you can do Engineering Maths; although it isn't a prereq for any of those majors I'd argue that it covers important basic skills for anyone who wants to call themselves a mathematician.

As for the software diploma vs maths diploma ... well, I'm pretty biased having majored in maths (and now doing even more maths) and having previously worked as a programmer. I found it much easier to pick up comp sci / programming skills as I needed them than maths, and higher-level maths is (in my opinion) more fun and mind-bending than computer science. If you can demonstrate your programming skills to an employer in some other way to get your first "real" programming job, the lack of diploma/comp sci major isn't likely to be a problem. I do think that both maths and computing are important skills for anyone in science or engineering to have.

I will be doing MAST20026 real analysis and MAST20004 probability in semester 1 next year as well as software subjects so that will hopefully give me a good idea of which one I like more.

I am starting to think that it is best if I do a breadth this summer and leave MAST20029 for later. This way I will have more flexibility in terms of choosing the diploma.
I am not really interested in the pure mathematics diploma. If I end up doing a maths diploma, I will do one of the other 3, but I am mostly interested in applied mathematics or statistics.

I can still squeeze in 5 software subjects if I do the maths diploma since I am already doing so many maths subjects.

[LOLs99]

I haven't thought about the heat but I am really excited to take these subjects. I really enjoyed digital systems and electricity and magnetism in physics 2 so ELEN20005 will hopefully be fun. MAST20029 shouldn't be bad either, although I don't like vector calculus that much.

Most likely the software diploma. If not that, then the maths diploma. I am already doing 6 maths subjects so I only need 2 more to do the maths diploma but one problem is that MAST20029 doesn't count towards any maths major so I shouldn't do it if I am serious about the maths diploma but I think the software diploma is more useful and interesting and gives me a lot more flexibility interms of jobs and grad school.

I will not do finance as breadth. Never again. I did finance 1 and it was a huge mistake. If I was to do a summer breadth, I will either do intermediate microecon, which seems tough, managing organisations, or something easy.

I might see u in foundation of electrical network then haha
it seems like you are majoring in maths. Do u recommend me doing  maths subj instead of physics ( hate the labs) because I have 2 science electives slot.
I did finance 1 in sem 2 and worst decision. I shoyld have done it in sem 1

[Renaissance]

I might see u in foundation of electrical network then haha
it seems like you are majoring in maths. Do u recommend me doing  maths subj instead of physics ( hate the labs) because I have 2 science electives slot.
I did finance 1 in sem 2 and worst decision. I shoyld have done it in sem 1

Ok, see you around then. I am not sure how many people do ELEN20005 over the summer. Might be a good idea to form a study group for the 6 weeks of the course. I have never studied in a group but heard it can be good depending on the members.

Which engineering are you majoring in? If electrical, then I highly recommend doing maths and/or software for electives. I am majoring in electrical, not maths.
Specifically, probability, statistics, stochastic modelling, complex analysis and object oriented software development, these are useful subjects for EE.
If you want to do the masters at a different university, i.e. I was interested in ETH Zurich (they are similar to melb model 3 undergrad + 2 masters), they actually require that you have done real analysis, complex analysis, probability and some software subjects in your undergrad. Most top European and American universities require these subjects in undergrad, it is weird that unimelb only requires eng maths and eng comp, but if you look at the course page, they do recommend those other maths subjects as electives.

I don't think it would have been any better in semester 1. People who did it in semester 1 also gave it horrible reviews. IMO that subject needs to be removed and fundamentally redone. Have a look at these intro finance courses, I thought I was going to get something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD7BE3D3FC114D929
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB9QKhoUDCGiXDVkjJ2yJ2y239qSCtuRI

Logic seems like an awesome breadth subject since we study it in maths, electrical engineering and computer science. There are only 3 logic subjects and the introductory one isn't even required. You can just go straight into level 2 and 3 logic and the lectures are all recorded here publicly (should be the case for all subjects):
http://vimeo.com/consequently/albums

[notveryasian]

Wow do international EE courses really require you to do so many maths subjects? I think unimelb and other local universities don't require as many maths units to make engineering more accessible to people.

[Renaissance]

Wow do international EE courses really require you to do so many maths subjects? I think unimelb and other local universities don't require as many maths units to make engineering more accessible to people.

Yes, most top technical universities require at least linear algebra, single and multivariable calculus, differential equations, complex analysis, probability and statistics for EE. I am not sure if it is about making it accessible to people, I think it is just that when you start working, you never use all the advanced maths, you just need it if you want to go into research. I will do the maths anyway because it is interesting and opens more doors in terms of both academics and jobs.

[LOLs99]

Ok, see you around then. I am not sure how many people do ELEN20005 over the summer. Might be a good idea to form a study group for the 6 weeks of the course. I have never studied in a group but heard it can be good depending on the members.

Which engineering are you majoring in? If electrical, then I highly recommend doing maths and/or software for electives. I am majoring in electrical, not maths.
Specifically, probability, statistics, stochastic modelling, complex analysis and object oriented software development, these are useful subjects for EE.
If you want to do the masters at a different university, i.e. I was interested in ETH Zurich (they are similar to melb model 3 undergrad + 2 masters), they actually require that you have done real analysis, complex analysis, probability and some software subjects in your undergrad. Most top European and American universities require these subjects in undergrad, it is weird that unimelb only requires eng maths and eng comp, but if you look at the course page, they do recommend those other maths subjects as electives.

I don't think it would have been any better in semester 1. People who did it in semester 1 also gave it horrible reviews. IMO that subject needs to be removed and fundamentally redone. Have a look at these intro finance courses, I thought I was going to get something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD7BE3D3FC114D929
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB9QKhoUDCGiXDVkjJ2yJ2y239qSCtuRI

Logic seems like an awesome breadth subject since we study it in maths, electrical engineering and computer science. There are only 3 logic subjects and the introductory one isn't even required. You can just go straight into level 2 and 3 logic and the lectures are all recorded here publicly (should be the case for all subjects):
http://vimeo.com/consequently/albums

I don't think there will be many people doing it during the summer haha yeah that would be a good idea to study together but I thought foundation of electrical networks only goes on for 5 weeks? That means we might not have the 1 week swot vac to study. Btw, have you got your hands on the lecture notes because I would like to start collecting some study resources...

I think I am fixed in mechanical engineering but studying electrical, mechanical and mechatronics have very similar subjects so u can still decide after finishing year 2. I was looking at probability or statistics as my electives and I am not quite sure what u really do in real analysis... It seems to be like a harder subject than probability or stats.

But my friend said the sem 1 exam accessible for finance student. This sem 2 exam that we have done is definitely not the finance 1 level, he just make the exam way too complicated and there is one proving formula question. OMG!! They might ask you to derive formula in second or third yr commerce subjects but definitely not finance 1!
I would like to do something away from science as breadth. I think I have enough with physics and stuff already hahaha

[Renaissance]

I don't think there will be many people doing it during the summer haha yeah that would be a good idea to study together but I thought foundation of electrical networks only goes on for 5 weeks? That means we might not have the 1 week swot vac to study. Btw, have you got your hands on the lecture notes because I would like to start collecting some study resources...

I think I am fixed in mechanical engineering but studying electrical, mechanical and mechatronics have very similar subjects so u can still decide after finishing year 2. I was looking at probability or statistics as my electives and I am not quite sure what u really do in real analysis... It seems to be like a harder subject than probability or stats.

But my friend said the sem 1 exam accessible for finance student. This sem 2 exam that we have done is definitely not the finance 1 level, he just make the exam way too complicated and there is one proving formula question. OMG!! They might ask you to derive formula in second or third yr commerce subjects but definitely not finance 1!
I would like to do something away from science as breadth. I think I have enough with physics and stuff already hahaha

Real analysis isn't even necessary for electrical engineering but it is prerequisite for complex analysis and stochastic modeling. I would say do MAST20006 Probability for Statistics, it is designed for engineering majors. It is more practical and less proof-based than MAST20004 Probability.
I would also recommend doing SWEN20003 Object Oriented Software Development. It is core subject for mechatronic and very useful for electrical and mechanical. You learn Java in that. Engineering comp is the only prereq.

I do have the textbooks for ELEN20005 but not the lecture notes. I will email the lecturer and see if they are nice enough to give me the lecture notes. I emailed the probability and real analysis lecturers and they gave me the lecture notes from last year. I don't see why lectures have copyrights... lectures from Harvard, MIT and other top unis are available online for free anyway. I will send them to you if I manage to get them. I don't know if anyone here has a copy, would be great if they give them to us.

[notveryasian]

Real analysis isn't even necessary for electrical engineering but it is prerequisite for complex analysis and stochastic modeling. I would say do MAST20006 Probability for Statistics, it is designed for engineering majors. It is more practical and less proof-based than MAST20004 Probability.
I would also recommend doing SWEN20003 Object Oriented Software Development. It is core subject for mechatronic and very useful for electrical and mechanical. You learn Java in that. Engineering comp is the only prereq.

I do have the textbooks for ELEN20005 but not the lecture notes. I will email the lecturer and see if they are nice enough to give me the lecture notes. I emailed the probability and real analysis lecturers and they gave me the lecture notes from last year. I don't see why lectures have copyrights... lectures from Harvard, MIT and other top unis are available online for free anyway. I will send them to you if I manage to get them. I don't know if anyone here has a copy, would be great if they give them to us.

Would it be too much to ask if you could PM me the Probability lecture notes? I'm debating whether or not I should do it next year or do Probs for Stats instead.

Also, do you know if Eng Maths have online lecture notes or it is all in hardcopy? I'm thinking about taking it in summer as breadth.