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Need help finding integrals of some harder expressions
« on: January 03, 2015, 03:02:12 pm »
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Hi everyone, I've been working on integration techniques for SM over the last week... and I've been stuck on some of the questions (this is not an SM book, so the questions are generally pitched harder than ordinary VCE).

I've tried substituting t = (1+x^2), but it doesn't seem to make any headway.

Another one is

It looks like the above two are related or somehow consequential...

Any help would be greatly appreciated ^_^
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Re: Need help finding integrals of some harder expressions
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2015, 03:39:57 pm »
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The problem with doing questions like these is that they are not indicative of specialist mathematics - not just because they're harder, but because there are other integration techniques not covered in specialist. Namely, the use of integration by parts and circular substitutions (and before I'm met with the outcry of people who DID do circular substitutions - they're not in the study design, whether or not you learned them in specialist is irrelevant as far as I'm concerned).

Now only are both of these beyond the scope of specialist, however using my super calculator, I can see the first requires a combination of integration by parts, multiple substitutions, AND use of partial fractions. Said super calculator (Mathematica 10.0.1, for any curious) couldn't give step-by-step help for the second integral. I personally don't have the time to help you through this, and I wouldn't be surprised if nobody helped you, but I reckon if your goal is to prepare for specialist mathematics, it would be better for you to maybe forget about this book. I dread to think what you've done before these questions - if you have done them, I'm assuming you're fine for anything integration specialist throws at you. :P

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Re: Need help finding integrals of some harder expressions
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2015, 03:42:49 pm »
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yeah tbh if you're looking to do well in spesh this stuff won't help. Everything in spesh is pretty basic, it's all about being meticulous and not making mistakes rather than trying to extend yourself.
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Re: Need help finding integrals of some harder expressions
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2015, 07:13:50 pm »
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Hmm... I was just doing the integration because (a) I went interstate and hence couldn't bring much of my stuff with me (b) I wanted to get the calc basics down without spoiling Essentials for later :P

Regarding SM 'not being about extending yourself', what would be considered 'safe' extension (due to pure curiosity and love for maths, of course) around what is taught in the SM SD (e.g. diff equations aren't taught in that much detail for SM, also series expansions for functions, proofs for theorems and rules in calculus, etc), without impinging upon school performance?

Apologies for my weakness for deeper understanding ^.^
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Re: Need help finding integrals of some harder expressions
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2015, 07:31:04 pm »
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Hmm... I was just doing the integration because (a) I went interstate and hence couldn't bring much of my stuff with me (b) I wanted to get the calc basics down without spoiling Essentials for later :P

Regarding SM 'not being about extending yourself', what would be considered 'safe' extension (due to pure curiosity and love for maths, of course) around what is taught in the SM SD (e.g. diff equations aren't taught in that much detail for SM, also series expansions for functions, proofs for theorems and rules in calculus, etc), without impinging upon school performance?

Apologies for my weakness for deeper understanding ^.^

Stress less, my friend. :P We just didn't want you to expend yourself too much.

Learning other techniques of integration isn't harmful - in fact, it's sort of cool. HOWEVER, doing integrals of that difficulty is just overkill. It's like bringing a CAS to a grade 1 maths test. In terms of calculus, here's some cool things that will help extend your natural curiosity, and possibly make some concepts easier to understand:

  • Integration by Parts
  • Solving Separable Differential Equations (fun fact: this will join the SM SD in 2016)
  • The proof of nearly anything you cover

Provided, of course, that you don't then use these to try and cover incredibly hard DEs/integrals, as you've shown above. Just easy things, like or

Series expansion... Is definitely your call. I can't see it really helping at all with specialist, there's just nothing that it sort of relates to. However, a basic understanding of infinite series/sequences such that you know your limits could prove beneficial (in fact, there was one VCAA paper where knowing gave you a free mark)

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Re: Need help finding integrals of some harder expressions
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2015, 01:20:40 pm »
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Hi everyone, I've been working on integration techniques for SM over the last week... and I've been stuck on some of the questions (this is not an SM book, so the questions are generally pitched harder than ordinary VCE).

I've tried substituting t = (1+x^2), but it doesn't seem to make any headway.

Another one is

It looks like the above two are related or somehow consequential...

Any help would be greatly appreciated ^_^

Let's actually try and solve the op's question

(a)
There's a log...and I know I can integrate the bit of the expression without the log, so I'll integrate by parts.
Letting u = ln x and dv/dx = x/(1+x^2)^2, we have v = -1/(2(1+x^2)) and du/dx = 1/x
Hence the integral becomes uv - int v du = -ln x/(2(1+x^2)) + int(1/(2x(1+x^2)) dx)
This integral is a fairly standard integral to do by partial fractions

(b)
My gut instinct is to go with a substitution x = sinh t because the top contains an inverse hyperbolic sine (ln (x+sqrt(x^2+1)) = arsinh x) and the bottom is the derivative of arsinh x
So if x = sinh t, dx = cosh t dt = sqrt(x^2 + 1) dt
dt = dx/(sqrt(x^2+1))
Plugging everything in, we get integral of x ln(x+sqrt(x^2+1))/sqrt(x^2+1) dx = integral of sinh t*ln(sinh t + sqrt(sinh^2 t + 1) dt = int(sinh t * ln(sinh t + cosh t dt) = int(sinh t * ln(e^t) dt) = int(t sinh t) dt
This is another standard integral to do by parts.

My working won't make sense if you don't understand how to use hyperbolic functions. If you want, do the working with x = (e^t - e^-t)/2 instead
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Re: Need help finding integrals of some harder expressions
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2015, 03:18:47 pm »
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Hmm... I was just doing the integration because (a) I went interstate and hence couldn't bring much of my stuff with me (b) I wanted to get the calc basics down without spoiling Essentials for later :P

Regarding SM 'not being about extending yourself', what would be considered 'safe' extension (due to pure curiosity and love for maths, of course) around what is taught in the SM SD (e.g. diff equations aren't taught in that much detail for SM, also series expansions for functions, proofs for theorems and rules in calculus, etc), without impinging upon school performance?

Apologies for my weakness for deeper understanding ^.^

A "safe extension" to SM would be learning to prove/understand all the formulas you are given, I believe.
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