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Can average students succeed in VCE?
« on: October 16, 2015, 10:38:17 pm »
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Hey all, didn't know where to post this haha.

I'm a pretty average student, not intellectually gifted. In years 7-10 I used to to be a great student, I would get As in pretty much all my subjects until VCE.. This year I've put in my best effort and I'm ranging between D's and B's in my subjects which is really devastating. Year 12 is just around the corner and I want to succeed next year (well duhh everyone does). I'm not confident and I don't think I'm smart enough....

So question is, can average students succeed in VCE?

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Re: Can average students succeed in VCE?
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2015, 10:59:24 pm »
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Success means a different thing to everyone. What do you define as success?

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Re: Can average students succeed in VCE?
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2015, 08:43:30 am »
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Success means a different thing to everyone. What do you define as success?

I think for majority of students in VCE, success means getting the marks you've worked hard for and getting into your desired course.

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Re: Can average students succeed in VCE?
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2015, 09:09:23 am »
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I think for majority of students in VCE, success means getting the marks you've worked hard for and getting into your desired course.

Well then, it depends on your desired marks/course.

If you're an 'average student', and you work hard for a 99.95 and want to get into a chancellor's scholars program, chances are you won't 'succeed'.  If, however, your desired ATAR is 31 and you want to get into the Bachelor of Garbological Sciences, you'll probably succeed.  So essentially, it depends on how high the desired ATAR/course is compared with your capabilities, intelligence, work ethic, enthusiasm, confidence etc.

I don't go with the belief that 'anyone can score anything if they just try hard enough' - simple fact is, intelligence plays a huge role; but I do believe that by studying smart, being enthusiastic/motivated and working hard, you can get a long way further than someone with your raw intelligence (whatever that even means) but without these traits.

No point stressing about it - you are the way you are!  But if you search for and use effective ways to study, and keep enthusiastic and motivated, then you'll get a long way.  That's no guarantee that you'll get your desired ATAR (because it depends how high that is), but you'll probably find yourself pleasantly surprised by the scores you're able to achieve. :)
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Re: Can average students succeed in VCE?
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2015, 06:10:35 pm »
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I think for majority of students in VCE, success means getting the marks you've worked hard for and getting into your desired course.

Well if an "average" student has a goal of getting a 99.4 ATAR and they meet that goal, then I'd argue that they were never "average" to begin with. People who get a 99.4 ATAR can never be "average", suggesting otherwise is either some srs modesty or just wishful thinking.

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Re: Can average students succeed in VCE?
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2015, 11:15:30 pm »
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If, however, your desired ATAR is 31 and you want to get into the Bachelor of Garbological Sciences, you'll probably succeed.

OMG I DIED.  :D
But seriously, brilliantly said.
I'm going to point out that I think the question itself was very vague. Average and success are two words that can mean so many different things to everyone, so I ask you now iprocrastinate:- what is it that you want/need for your course? What do you feel you don't have?
Because generally if you have a goal and you want it enough to work for it, it is very hard for you to not succeed. Of course getting 99.95 or other very difficult to achieve goals may not be so certain, but I think if you care this much then you are likely to succeed in your life, because motivation is there, and I personally believe motivation to be the driver to success.
Best of luck :)
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Re: Can average students succeed in VCE?
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2015, 11:48:00 pm »
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sure, anyone can succeed in VCE

I know lots of average people who are doing well because they work hard, and I see intelligent people drop stupid marks because they're lazy. VCE is a system that rewards hard work, not intelligence.

Honestly, it can be argued that the majority of subjects can be rote learned, and anyone can do that.

but success in VCE isn't really a determinant of success in life (I know some people who either dropped out or flunked VCE and are now more successful than some with degrees) -- so in that regard, we shouldn't stress about it too much

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Re: Can average students succeed in VCE?
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2015, 10:00:21 pm »
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Thanks guys for the replies, I'll definitely take all your advice on board :)

OMG I DIED.  :D
But seriously, brilliantly said.
I'm going to point out that I think the question itself was very vague. Average and success are two words that can mean so many different things to everyone, so I ask you now iprocrastinate:- what is it that you want/need for your course? What do you feel you don't have?
Because generally if you have a goal and you want it enough to work for it, it is very hard for you to not succeed. Of course getting 99.95 or other very difficult to achieve goals may not be so certain, but I think if you care this much then you are likely to succeed in your life, because motivation is there, and I personally believe motivation to be the driver to success.
Best of luck :)

I'll admit the question was probably too vague and I should have clarified it more... Mm, my goal for next year would be to achieve an 88 ATAR. I want to study Commerce at Melbourne but I'm considering science as well.  :P

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Re: Can average students succeed in VCE?
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2015, 10:44:25 pm »
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I'll admit the question was probably too vague and I should have clarified it more... Mm, my goal for next year would be to achieve an 88 ATAR. I want to study Commerce at Melbourne but I'm considering science as well.  :P

Haha that's all good, now we can accurately give you an answer!

88 is definitely achievable, but you will need to work for it. What others have said is very true, but I believe that achieving over 95 is about hard work and intelligence, but if you aren't, say "intellectually gifted", up to 90 I think should be fairly achievable for the average student given hard work. I like this quote- "aim high in case you fall short". This encourages you to work hard, set your sights on something that may be out of reach, but not completely unattainable. Don't say I want a 99.95 for no particular reason. Say okay, I want a 92 to push myself and encourage myself to work harder. If you achieve it, great, well done! If you don't, there's still that buffer of 4 atar points ish I don't know what they are called haha, which can definitely still be in your range.

It becomes easier to succeed in vce (as you defined as getting the atar to your course), if you set your sights on something higher that is not so make it or break it. Achieving a personal goal that will better you no matter the margin, such as working harder, is less daunting than achieving career or education goals, such as needing entry to a course to have a career and get a job in life, you see what I mean? So set your goals higher than what you need, and even if you don't achieve your personal goals, it's still likely that you achieve your educational ones, and you have all of university to complete your personal goals, as well as the rest of your life! :)

88 is achievable, but it depends slightly on your subjects. What are you good at- English, humanities, maths, science? Are you taking subjects based on your strengths and career goals? Are you doing well in those subjects? Are you doing all you can to maximise your potential? Can you do more to increase your chances of succeeding at the end of next year?

These are the questions you must ask yourself. Analyse your situation and understand what you are doing and what more you can do to make your goals more achievable and in reach. Are you distracted in class, do you not understand content, do you need to practice application more, do you need help from teachers or a tutor? Find out how to help yourself. Even having a chat to your teachers is helpful. You don't need to see a biology teacher and say I ddon't understand osmosis in plant cells. See them and say look I'm not too happy with where I'm at, what would you recommend that I can do to improve? Most teachers would be delighted to direct you to wherever you need to go.

After identifying your weaknesses all it is is hard work. Fix your weaknesses, do the set work, do extra work. Learn, ask questions, teach others. Read, study, answer questions. Do practice exams. This will ensure you solidify your knowledge throughout the year so come exam time you don't need to rote learn everything again, its in your head already and you can just practice. Then smash those exams, watch your atar come in and smile because you've got over the 88 you needed!

In short, if you aren't doing the best you can now, all you need to do is identify your weaknesses, because vce, as mentioned by another member, doesn't reward intelligence. Then find ways to fix them and work for what you want, and if you can do that then you will definitely succeed, both in vce and in life.

Best of luck and I'm sure you're going to do well! :)
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Re: Can average students succeed in VCE?
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2015, 02:42:43 pm »
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Just my two cents lol, but from personal experience if you go into it with the mindset of 'I'm not smart I won't do well' than it is more likely that will happen. I think change must be within your thinking first  :D
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Re: Can average students succeed in VCE?
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2015, 04:05:22 pm »
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^ Couldn't agree more.

Here's an interesting article that talks about this in reference to maths (but I think is applicable to all subjects): http://www.businessinsider.com.au/being-good-at-math-is-not-about-natural-ability-2013-11 The main point being: "hard work, not natural ability, is the most important factor".

But also...
I'm a pretty average student, not intellectually gifted. In years 7-10 I used to to be a great student, I would get As in pretty much all my subjects until VCE.. This year I've put in my best effort and I'm ranging between D's and B's in my subjects which is really devastating. Year 12 is just around the corner and I want to succeed next year (well duhh everyone does). I'm not confident and I don't think I'm smart enough....
The fact that you were getting high grades prior to VCE tells me that you're fully capable of getting them now. I think it might be time to re-assess your study habits and see where you're going wrong. And I understand it can be hard to overcome poor self-esteem/confidence but this is going to be a detriment to you. It might be good for you to write a list of your strengths and weaknesses. From there you can begin working on these weaknesses and also try to build some confidence where you know your strengths lie. Of course it might be worth considering your subject choices and how they coincide with your strengths/weaknesses as well.

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Re: Can average students succeed in VCE?
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2015, 08:11:21 pm »
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Thanks guys, I'm feeling motivated and I'm overwhelmed by all the replies I've received  :) You're all champs!

Let's smash VCE Class of 2016! Good luck to you all  :D