University of Melbourne-Vce results question

[Priority]

Hey, i recently heard that the entry score for biomed-melb uni is 98.85
And for science , its 86
And both -can take you to medicine graduate study
Then why would people study hard to get into bachelor of biomedicine
They can study less , get into science bachelor, as both take you to medicine graduate study course
.?

[bills]

- They are passionate or have an interest in Biomedicine
- They want to get into a cohort with like-minded people (I heard the biomed cohort is smaller?)
- Getting into a course with 98 ATAR entry looks and sounds better than a course with 86 ATAR (stupid reason)

Other than that, I'm not sure.

[heart]

Personally I aimed for a high ATAR to get into monash MBBS and when I didn't get in just wanted to do biomedicine cause seemed like the most logical thing to do aiming for graduate medicine. If i could go back in time I would do science and do the med prereqs whilst majoring in chem or maths.

[keltingmeith]

In general, people study hard for biomed so that they can say they study biomed.

There is some other perceived benefits, such as a smaller cohort, some units being biomed specific (particularly early on in the degree) and not needing to plan your degree much but still fulfil the prereqs for the Melbourne MD.

But for a lot of people, it really is simply the case of biomed sounds more impressive to them and their families than science does. You are right, though - the ATAR for science is generally lower than biomed (in fact, recent statistics suggests that soon Monash science will have a higher ATAR than Melbourne science. We'll have to wait until Jan to know for sure, though), and you can get into postgrad med with a BSc if you pick the right units. (the Melbourne MD does have second year biochemistry, anatomy and physiology prereqs that you'll need to make sure you do)

[Alter]

There are many reasons as to why people undertake Biomedicine as opposed to Science. As a person who intends on doing just that, I'll explain my rationale:

1. Biomedicine offers more targeted subjects for those that intend to pursue a career in the health sciences. This is inherent within its compulsory core subjects (e.g. Chemistry for Biomedicine, Mathematics for Biomedicine, etc.). Although there is less freedom in picking subjects, the ones that you do pick will have a strong focus on the areas that you definitely need. In terms of biology studied, that done in Science covers a lot more botany/zoology, whereas Biomedicine focuses more on disease/human biology.

2. The cohort is more close and quite competitive due to the high clearly-in. Personally, I find this more appealing as it's a bit more like the school environment I was brought up in. I feel as though being with the same people in classes and having people achieve highly around me would force me to try hard as well.

3. Admittedly, there's a certain degree of prestige associated with doing this degree. If you know you want to do the MD at a graduate level, this degree simply makes sense. It's not for those that are still figuring out what they want to pursue to the same extent that Science is.

[ChickenCh0wM1en]

To add to the discussion, working hard in VCE is a good foundation for success later on as well. As lots tend to slack of in university - if you're able to understand the hard work required to achieve good results, it will pay off later on

[Priority]

Wow atar of 99.7 and 98.6 and the one who studies science at the best-science uni
I now feel so depressed:(still gotta study hard, thanks guys:)

[spectroscopy]

1. Biomedicine offers more targeted subjects for those that intend to pursue a career in the health sciences. This is inherent within its compulsory core subjects (e.g. Chemistry for Biomedicine, Mathematics for Biomedicine, etc.). Although there is less freedom in picking subjects, the ones that you do pick will have a strong focus on the areas that you definitely need. In terms of biology studied, that done in Science covers a lot more botany/zoology, whereas Biomedicine focuses more on disease/human biology.

2. The cohort is more close and quite competitive due to the high clearly-in. Personally, I find this more appealing as it's a bit more like the school environment I was brought up in. I feel as though being with the same people in classes and having people achieve highly around me would force me to try hard as well.

these two are definitely the biggest. heaps of kids from my high school are doing biomed at melbourne and the main reason is they want to keep learning sciences like chemistry and biology, but in a human context rather than a broader one which may include zoology or botany or earth sciences or whatever else

also alot of people from select entry schools come to like cohorts like the biomed one because they tend to be close knit and academically oriented

[Mieow]

Just to add on to what's already been said here, personally I really like the small and motivated cohort size of Biomedicine. We see each other most days of the week so even if you don't get to know everybody personally, you'll recognize most faces. We're also pretty tight on our facebook group so a lot of us share advice, information and resources (*wink) among each other. Since I almost literally knew no one coming into UoM, it was nice to be a part of this cohort since we do so many subjects together and it made making friends easier rather than never seeing them again after completing each subject.

The only real downside I can think of about Biomed is that a) exchange opportunities are frustratingly limited and b) certain core subjects are the pits. (If you're planning on doing UoM Biomed next year be prepared for the worst in chemistry and physics)

[appleandbee]

Isn't it really difficult to get good grades in Biomed though? I've seen quite number of people who did the course (at Melbourne Uni) simply because they got the ATAR but aren't strong in science or science- oriented and thus end up getting mediocre grades (that aren't good enough for post-grads). This is concerning as I'm not good at Chemistry but managed to scrape at okay score (high 30s) because a friend helped me a lot. I've also heard from someone (that does the course at Melb uni) that only one-sixth of the cohort gets into Medicine.

[Splash-Tackle-Flail]

The only real downside I can think of about Biomed is that a) exchange opportunities are frustratingly limited

Hey would you be able to elaborate on this?

[RKTR]

Isn't it really difficult to get good grades in Biomed though? I've seen quite number of people who did the course (at Melbourne Uni) simply because they got the ATAR but aren't strong in science or science- oriented and thus end up getting mediocre grades (that aren't good enough for post-grads). This is concerning as I'm not good at Chemistry but managed to scrape at okay score (high 30s) because a friend helped me a lot. I've also heard from someone (that does the course at Melb uni) that only one-sixth of the cohort gets into Medicine.

Personally I don't think it's difficult to get H1s(80 and above) but 90+ is another story. I struggled with chem especially organic chem so much and only finally started to understand organic chem few days before the exam and still barely made H1. If you keep up with your work, you should be fine.

[Mieow]

Isn't it really difficult to get good grades in Biomed though? I've seen quite number of people who did the course (at Melbourne Uni) simply because they got the ATAR but aren't strong in science or science- oriented and thus end up getting mediocre grades (that aren't good enough for post-grads). This is concerning as I'm not good at Chemistry but managed to scrape at okay score (high 30s) because a friend helped me a lot. I've also heard from someone (that does the course at Melb uni) that only one-sixth of the cohort gets into Medicine.

According to this 124 people from the class of 2013 got into MD which would probably make about ~1/4 of the cohort

Hey would you be able to elaborate on this?

Unless you want to extend your degree by a year pretty much the only time you can go on exchange is 2nd year, 2nd semester. I tried looking for universities in South Korea and Japan that might be suitable but I only found one, because I needed to find a uni that taught anatomy+physiology in English and there were hardly anyway. Going on exchange to English speaking countries like the UK and the US would be infinitely easier (but this wasn't what I wanted). If you want to go after 2nd year (like me because I missed the deadline) you'd need to do the 3rd year cores in one year and then the remaining electives/selectives the following year because the Level 3 core subjects are unique to UoM meaning you can't replace it anywhere else

[Priority]

How about bachelor of science?
So maybe like 1/10 students from it can step up to md

[zsteve]

Well I thought I'd put in my two cents here.
I've finalised my VTAC preferences, and my first pref was for UoM Science (albeit Chancellor's Scholar, but that wasn't really the reason).
After finding out about the restrictions of breadth on Wednesday (I don't want to think about what would happen if I didn't know you couldn't do other science subjects in a biomed degree in breadth... that would be painful) I decided I'd go for BSc because it allowed me to learn in-depth and "see with two eyes", despite studying fewer subjects. Hence I'm interested in Chem and Maths majors, as well as the health sciences prerequisite to MD. I'm ten times happier knowing I'm stepping into a BSc than Biomed. It's personal preference, but there isn't much difference in terms of qualifications or requirements between Science and Biomed.