English Advanced Question Thread

[rh1A]

Hey thanks for that!!
What about these two below...

When Jane is courted by St John, she fears that if they were married, he would “scrupulously observe…all the forms of love” while the spirit was absent. Images of passion and fire symbolise the results of Jane’s dependence, and she feels that St John’s ‘love’ would force her “to burn inwardly and never utter a cry”.

[prickles]

Hey thanks for that!!
What about these two below...

When Jane is courted by St John, she fears that if they were married, he would “scrupulously observe…all the forms of love” while the spirit was absent. Images of passion and fire symbolise the results of Jane’s dependence, and she feels that St John’s ‘love’ would force her “to burn inwardly and never utter a cry”.

Hey,
I don't know about the first one - can you use it without a technique? The second one I think you could make a bigger deal out of the whole symbol/fire/heat thing - maybe say the first one, particularly the word 'scrupulously' has connotations of ice, caution, duty, cold etc. Then contrast that symbol to the heat and passion Jane feels within herself? Then that represents the inner conflict that Jane has. You could further say that fire/ice is a motif, as it is continued throughout the whole novel, indicating her changing her mind so many times, but all the time remaining true to her self.
Hope that helps 

[rh1A]

Thanks very much for tht!!!
Jis one more (hopefully  ) See below:
 She has to build her identity on the basis of her social status, “Portrait of a Governess, disconnected, poor, and plain.”

[prickles]

Thanks very much for tht!!!
Jis one more (hopefully  ) See below:
 She has to build her identity on the basis of her social status, “Portrait of a Governess, disconnected, poor, and plain.”

Hmm, that one is a bit harder. Disconnected, poor, and plain all certainly have connotations of a low social status, but apart from that I'm not sure what else there is. What are you linking it to? Could you contrast it with Blanche's portrait?

[owidjaja]

Thanks very much for tht!!!
Jis one more (hopefully  ) See below:
 She has to build her identity on the basis of her social status, “Portrait of a Governess, disconnected, poor, and plain.”

Hey there,
You could talk about the listing of the adjectives here to talk about her place in society, or even discuss the role of women in a Victorian society.

Hope this helps!

[LaraC]

Hello!

So I have a few quotes here....like a lot actually  ....haha but I was wondering if anyone can help me find the technique in any of them?! or are there no techniques....I feel like I'm missing something really obvious as there are so many I'm not sure about! sorry I'm so thick!! the quotes are all from Jane Eyre....

Here is the list:
1. “I had not intended to love him: the reader knows I had wrought hard to extirpate from my soul the germs of love there detected; and now, at the first renewed view of him, they spontaneously revived green and strong! He made me love him without looking at me!”
2. “I doubted I had taken a step which sank instead of raising me in the scale of social existence.”
3. “Glorious discovery to a lonely wretch! This was wealth indeed!”
4. “Women are supposed to be very calm generally: but women feel just as men feel; …. they suffer from too rigid a restraint, to absolute a stagnation, precisely as men would suffer;
5. “Ye are formed for labour, not for love. A missionary’s wife you must – shall be. You shall be mine: I claim you – not for my pleasure, but for my sovereign’s service.”


Sorry this is really embarrassing to not be able to pick these up.....my brain just isn't working so well at the mo!

Thanks so much!! 

[rh1A]

Just a quick one...
This is a quote out of Jane Eyre....just some techniques??

"I broke from St John, who had followed, and would have detained me."

Thanks....

[preliminary17hsc18]

Just a quick one...
This is a quote out of Jane Eyre....just some techniques??

"I broke from St John, who had followed, and would have detained me."

Thanks....

Hmm, maybe a metaphor with 'I broke from St John", symbolising her decision to finally assert her independency from St John?

[jamonwindeyer]

1. “I had not intended to love him: the reader knows I had wrought hard to extirpate from my soul the germs of love there detected; and now, at the first renewed view of him, they spontaneously revived green and strong! He made me love him without looking at me!”

Metaphor (germs of love), exclamation

2. “I doubted I had taken a step which sank instead of raising me in the scale of social existence.”

Sibilance!

3. “Glorious discovery to a lonely wretch! This was wealth indeed!”

Exclamation, juxtaposition!

4. “Women are supposed to be very calm generally: but women feel just as men feel; …. they suffer from too rigid a restraint, to absolute a stagnation, precisely as men would suffer;

Alliteration (rigid a restraint), assonance (absolute a stagnation)!

5. “Ye are formed for labour, not for love. A missionary’s wife you must – shall be. You shall be mine: I claim you – not for my pleasure, but for my sovereign’s service.”

Sibilance (sovereigns service), juxtaposition, high modality

Sorry this is really embarrassing to not be able to pick these up.....my brain just isn't working so well at the mo!

Thanks so much!! 

No need to embarrassed! There are definitely more - That's what I got on a skim read

[owidjaja]

Hey there,
My analysis is probably similar to Jamon's but here's my input:

1. “I had not intended to love him: the reader knows I had wrought hard to extirpate from my soul the germs of love there detected; and now, at the first renewed view of him, they spontaneously revived green and strong! He made me love him without looking at me!”

Metaphor with 'germs of love': Maybe you could talk about the unexpected nature of love, and possibly discuss the implications of (I'm assuming) Jane falling in love with Mr Rochester- possibly foreshadowing Jane's discovery of how Mr Rochester is still married and her disgust when she finds out his wife is still alive, yet locked in a room?

2. “I doubted I had taken a step which sank instead of raising me in the scale of social existence.”

Sibilance, emphasising on the importance of social status in a Victorian society, or even on the role of women, since Jane is an orphan and a governess.

3. “Glorious discovery to a lonely wretch! This was wealth indeed!”

Exclamation, emphasising the importance of wealth in Victorian society (i.e. emphasis on dowry when a couple is to be married)- even though she kinda sounds like a gold digger, it was important to make sure that whoever you're gonna marry has money to secure a position in society.

4. “Women are supposed to be very calm generally: but women feel just as men feel; …. they suffer from too rigid a restraint, to absolute a stagnation, precisely as men would suffer;

Anaphora since it repeats 'just as men feel' to emphasise on the role of women in Victorian society- men have to reach that expectation of being rich and having a position in society (either landowner, clergyman or part of military) whereas women's mannerism were what made them a desirable wife.

5. “Ye are formed for labour, not for love. A missionary’s wife you must – shall be. You shall be mine: I claim you – not for my pleasure, but for my sovereign’s service.”

High modality: In a society where arranged marriage was common, the high modality emphasises how women don't really have a say on who they wanna marry. St John wants her to marry him but Jane wants to marry for love, going against society's expectations on marriage. This also becomes a turning point for Jane to look for Mr Rochester again, showing that she is headstrong and has strong values, again, something women aren't expected to have in Victorian society.

Hopefully my analysis was helpful (you've certainly rekindled my love for Mr Rochester lol). I also found another great resource just in case you need some ideas on what other quotes you can use.

Again, hope this helps!

[Never.Give.Up]

“I had not intended to love him: the reader knows I had wrought hard to extirpate from my soul the germs of love there detected; and now, at the first renewed view of him, they spontaneously revived green and strong! He made me love him without looking at me!”

hey laura! a cool one for this is authorial intrusion! Jane draws the reader out and addresses them
other than that...i think Jamon and owidjaja covered them all!!

Unless the quote from St John could be some spiritual allusion "ye are formed for labour, not for love"... not sure tho sorry!

*Sorry Lara (spelling )*

[prickles]

you've certainly rekindled my love for Mr Rochester

I'm interested why you like him as a character - I can't stand him! Not saying your opinion is wrong AT ALL, just interested 

[LaraC]

Oh wow!! Thanks so much Jamon, owidjaja, and Never.Give.Up!!
You guys are awesome!! 

[owidjaja]

I'm interested why you like him as a character - I can't stand him! Not saying your opinion is wrong AT ALL, just interested 

Possibly because I'm biased towards Romantic literature (Jane Austen, Bronte sisters, Elizabeth Gaskell, the whole lot). Or maybe it's because I associate Mr Rochester with Michael Fassbender from the movie adaptation- for some reason, I just love Mr Rochester. Definitely not at the top of my list where Mr Thornton or Mr Darcy are, but Mr Rochester is there

[rh1A]

Arghh!!!
I need help! I have practically finished my speech except for the first sentence or so....attention grabbing bit....
The question is:
In your view, how does Bronte’s portrayal of the complex nature of self-determination contribute to the enduring value of Jane Eyre?
My main points are on the repressive nature of Victorian society, dependency and autonomy......

Can someone please give me some ideas on how to attract the markers attention?