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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #3660 on: May 14, 2018, 09:14:56 pm »
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I need help! I have practically finished my speech except for the first sentence or so....attention grabbing bit....
The question is:
In your view, how does Bronte’s portrayal of the complex nature of self-determination contribute to the enduring value of Jane Eyre?
My main points are on the repressive nature of Victorian society, dependency and autonomy......

Can someone please give me some ideas on how to attract the markers attention?
Hey there,
To be honest, I didn't really have a catchy sentence. Although it's a presentation, the whole point of the speech is to talk out your ideas (preferably in your own words) to show that you understand the topic. So my first sentence was my thesis- I guess a unique thesis can be attention-grabbing, but don't force yourself to do an obscure thesis.

I'll give you an example: My speech question was an individual's process of discovery varies based on context and values. When I heard people present, everyone mentioned 'context and values' as a pair, or even said yes, context and values results in unique discoveries. Although they're not wrong in terms of the important key terms, hearing the phrase 'context and values' multiple times can get boring for the marker. However, my opening sentence addressed how an individual's unique context determines their process of discovery, resulting them to discover new values. It's a small difference, but it counts.

Going back to your situation, you can always opt for the classic rhetorical question at the beginning, but (depending on the marking criteria) it usually depends on how well you discuss your ideas.

Hope this helps!
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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #3661 on: May 15, 2018, 11:37:41 am »
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Hi everyone, would someone be able to provide me with some advice (if you studied Yeats or any other poetry for that matter) on how you studied for an assessment task on it? Mines an in class essay in a few weeks and was wondering what you would reccommend as a top study tip for it.
Many thanks !
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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #3662 on: May 16, 2018, 07:42:34 pm »
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Hi everyone, would someone be able to provide me with some advice (if you studied Yeats or any other poetry for that matter) on how you studied for an assessment task on it? Mines an in class essay in a few weeks and was wondering what you would reccommend as a top study tip for it.
Many thanks !

Hey! I didn't study Yeats but I did do poetry ie. Robert Gray for discovery. What I would definitely recommend is tables as firstly I was very disorganised and so this helped make my thoughts and ideas more coherent. Secondly, it really helps you understand how different ideas connect with different aspects of each module. For instance, I think Yeats is Module B??? In that case, I would create a table with:

1st Column = Quote
2nd Column = A brief explanation of what it means/analysis
3rd Column = Link the quote to whatever essay question you are looking at r.e. ideas expressed.
4th Column = How does the quote reflect the context of the time.

If you are confused I have attached my Citizen Kane Module B tables which all CK students are free to use of course!

Hope that helped in general sorry I couldn't specifically address Yeats!
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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #3663 on: May 16, 2018, 07:54:13 pm »
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Hi everyone, would someone be able to provide me with some advice (if you studied Yeats or any other poetry for that matter) on how you studied for an assessment task on it? Mines an in class essay in a few weeks and was wondering what you would reccommend as a top study tip for it.
Many thanks !
Hey there!
I did Yeats for my half-yearlies; so the way I studied for it is to re-organise my notes into a table, just like what dancing phalanges said, so it would be easier to read. I also flicked through the poems again and tried to summarise the themes of each poem- what is Yeats trying to explore in his poems? Each of his poem has a distinct theme, and some have common themes so take note of that. For example, When You Are Old is essentially Yeats exploring the notion of youth and inevitable ageing, yet it was more on his Romantic side and it was with a tone of regret and reflection on his unrequited love for Maud Gonne. On the other hand, Wild Swans at Coole also addresses this idea of inevitable ageing, but he expresses this through frustration and resorts to nature (which is an element of Romanticism) to try and understand himself. See how I was able to link the themes and compare the two poems? Essentially, you should be structuring your poems thematically. Yeats, I would say, is probably quite difficult to understand because he loves to vacillate between two different ideas.

I would also suggest forming a malleable thesis- make sure you have a stance on Yeats' poetry. On the day of your exam, part of your reading time should be reading the question and seeing how your thesis relates to the question. Personally, I wouldn't suggest regurgitated essays (but each to their own) but you can practice by making essay plans. As for your quotes, my teacher would suggest memorising the whole poem lol but I would suggest that you memorise the more 'notable' quotes, i.e. quotes that essentially summarise the themes of the poem and have a few more quotes up your sleeve for back up.

Hope this helps!
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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #3664 on: May 17, 2018, 08:59:33 am »
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Hi everyone, would someone be able to provide me with some advice (if you studied Yeats or any other poetry for that matter) on how you studied for an assessment task on it? Mines an in class essay in a few weeks and was wondering what you would reccommend as a top study tip for it.
Many thanks !

Adding to the fantastic two answers above to emphasise: you must know every single poem for Yeats. They can specify a particular poem and then you'll leave yourself short if you took a risk on not studying that one!

I connected ideas in my poems in advance - I find that The Wild Swans at Coole was pretty versatile and I could adapt a lot of themes from it. The one I struggled with most was When You Are Old because its so much shorter and not as layered as the others. So immediately I knew my go-to poem, and the poem I'd struggle with most. It just helps to anticipate a game plan :)
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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #3665 on: May 18, 2018, 07:23:57 pm »
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Hey! I was wondering if anyone had advice for writing a discovery story?? I always struggle with creative writing and seem to lack development in my stories due to the exam time pressures.  :-\

And is it beneficial to have a few completed stories before the exam (and adapting it to the stimulus) or only brainstorm/dotpoint main themes/metaphors rather than memorising a whole creative writing piece?

I've also been thinking whether to write in first person or third person and if I should attempt a non-linear story structure (like a flashback), but I'm not sure which would be more effective in terms of the story's depth and tone.

Thanks in advance  :D
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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #3666 on: May 18, 2018, 08:21:10 pm »
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Hey! I was wondering if anyone had advice for writing a discovery story?? I always struggle with creative writing and seem to lack development in my stories due to the exam time pressures.  :-\

And is it beneficial to have a few completed stories before the exam (and adapting it to the stimulus) or only brainstorm/dotpoint main themes/metaphors rather than memorising a whole creative writing piece?

I've also been thinking whether to write in first person or third person and if I should attempt a non-linear story structure (like a flashback), but I'm not sure which would be more effective in terms of the story's depth and tone.

Thanks in advance  :D

Hello,
I was pretty much in the same boat as you last year. I had no clue on how to write a good creative and I wasn't getting the marks I wanted. Then my English teacher gave me this advice and now I'm getting band 6, 15/15 creatives!

1) write about your interests:

Think about your favourite school subject and work from there. This is a great place to start because you would've learnt a lot of the key terminology within those subjects, making your story more interesting and authentic. For example, I studied music where I learnt how to analyse components in musical pieces and I was a part of 2 school musicals. So I took these experiences and incorporated music terminology (i.e staccato, syncopation etc) I've learned over the years into a creative about a sporty boy auditioning for a school musical (very high school musical I know). You'll find that all your knowledge that you've gathered over the years studying a subject allows you to come up with sophisticated descriptive language as well as unique experiences that can be turned into interesting creatives.
Other ideas can come from: your favourite sport, your favourite book/movie etc.

2) Read other creatives. Read short stories. Watch short films.

In class, we often have the debate on "nowadays, is anything original?" because some way or another, an idea normally stems off another idea, current event etc.. In saying that, you have full liberty to take concepts and snippets from your favourite stories, and appropriate them into your creative. Try not to steal ideas from dystopian novels, developing a whole dystopian society in a short story is a very hard task. My creative was very clichéd with it's school setting and similarities to high school musical but I still made it my own by including lots of music terminology in my descriptive language, adding a couple motifs here and there etc. So if you're still out of ideas, steal someone else's! Take note of nice phrases that stand out to you! Reading other creatives also gives an idea of how you should structure your own creative which leads me to my next point...

3) Keep the plot short

I've read creatives that only depict a walk down a street (mind you it was a very interesting walk) and some that just involve an interview which brings about a memory. These aren't stories that have multiple complications and have multiple stages. My creative was initially going to end when my character actually performs in the musical, instead I ended up finishing when he finds out he got the role, saving me a lot of writing, yet still providing a sense of closure. [fyi my creative ended up having about 3 stages: 1. development of his character with a love for music yet reputation to sustain. 2. desperation to audition, then finally auditioning. 3. arriving at school the next day, to find everyone ridiculing him, but he got the role.] Basically you don't want to go into the nitty gritty, you only want to provide what's important to advance the plot. Aim for your creative to be around 800-1000 words, depending on how fast you can write.

4) Include a recurring motif

This is what would make your creative really stand out. A recurring motif can be as simple as a lamp that is mentioned ever so often. Again, using my past creative as an example: The use of music was a motif in itself but I also used light and dark to describe and contrast certain things throughout my piece - 'a light shone around the auditorium's patricianly opened door' 'the school walls casted a menacing shadow'. This helps to make your creative feel whole and is something very particular that can help improve the complexity of your creative.

5) Consider a circular plot

This is a very useful idea when it comes to discovery. Lets say you started your discovery with a person in the bleachers watch a game. Then the story finishes with the same person on the field, gazing over at the bleachers. Basically, where you begin is where you finish. By doing this, you're highlighting the transformation (which results from a discovery) that has occurred. 

6) Seek feedback

Finally, once you've finished your creative, send it to a friend, a teacher and ask for any pointers, check grammar etc. There's even a marking a feedback thread on the ATAR notes site. (also there are a number of discovery creatives there that you can read - referring back to point 2). A good creative usually takes several drafts, so don't be too hard on yourself if it takes a long process to finish it. But once you have an idea, write as much as you can from that initial idea and then edit edit edit edit edit.

I hope this was helpful for you! If you ever want to post your creatives on the Atar notes marking and feedback thread, I'd be happy to give some feedback and I'm sure many others would be too :)
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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #3667 on: May 18, 2018, 09:32:21 pm »
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Hey! I was wondering if anyone had advice for writing a discovery story?? I always struggle with creative writing and seem to lack development in my stories due to the exam time pressures.  :-\

And is it beneficial to have a few completed stories before the exam (and adapting it to the stimulus) or only brainstorm/dotpoint main themes/metaphors rather than memorising a whole creative writing piece?

I've also been thinking whether to write in first person or third person and if I should attempt a non-linear story structure (like a flashback), but I'm not sure which would be more effective in terms of the story's depth and tone.

Thanks in advance  :D

Wow I just realised I pretty much only answered your first question (lol)

I personally like writing a pre-prepared creative and then I memorise it really well (that way I can write it out very quickly in the exam time, which also gives me time to adapt it to whatever stimulus they give me. If you haven't tried this, maybe try having a creative up your sleeve and see what happens. It's also a good idea to expose yourself to a couple past paper stimuli and see if you can already adapt a creative to them.

I also think first person is a good way to go when it comes to discovery. Just because this way you can reveal the protagonists internal monologue, which can be handy when displaying a self-discovery and transformation. etc.

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #3668 on: May 22, 2018, 07:44:24 pm »
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Hey guys,
So one of the possible essay questions given to me for my Task 3 is: The human value of sacrifice and love for others is explored in 1984 and Metropolis in the midst of selfishness and contempt for others. How do Orwell’s and Lang’s texts explore this conflict within their particular contexts? At the moment, I can only think of two ideas where I can relate it to my thesis and the question. Would I be able to do 2 body paragraphs or do I need to do 3? If so, I'm struggling to come up with a third point to relate with this idea so any suggestions would be really helpful.

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #3669 on: May 22, 2018, 08:35:05 pm »
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Hey guys,
So one of the possible essay questions given to me for my Task 3 is: The human value of sacrifice and love for others is explored in 1984 and Metropolis in the midst of selfishness and contempt for others. How do Orwell’s and Lang’s texts explore this conflict within their particular contexts? At the moment, I can only think of two ideas where I can relate it to my thesis and the question. Would I be able to do 2 body paragraphs or do I need to do 3? If so, I'm struggling to come up with a third point to relate with this idea so any suggestions would be really helpful.

Thanks in advance :)
So I'm guessing that those would have to be very big paragraphs.
What are your two ideas?
I know for my mod A essay, i had two overarching themes tnat i looked at and then i developed concepts regarding each theme
"Live life like a pineapple. Stand tall, wear a crown and be sweet on the inside"

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #3670 on: May 22, 2018, 08:50:07 pm »
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So I'm guessing that those would have to be very big paragraphs.
What are your two ideas?
I know for my mod A essay, i had two overarching themes tnat i looked at and then i developed concepts regarding each theme
Well, my thesis was gonna be on how both texts explore the conflict between sacrifice and selfishness differently because of the varying context of post-WW1 vs post-WW2, and my two ideas on: collectivism (Metropolis) vs individualism (1984) with the way the 'heart' is needed for society vs individuality is needed to conquer absolute power, and the role of religion (Metropolis moving away from Christian values, and religion being completely replaced by Big Brother).

But I'm not sure if two main body paragraphs is recommended.
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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #3671 on: May 22, 2018, 09:00:05 pm »
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Well, my thesis was gonna be on how both texts explore the conflict between sacrifice and selfishness differently because of the varying context of post-WW1 vs post-WW2, and my two ideas on: collectivism (Metropolis) vs individualism (1984) with the way the 'heart' is needed for society vs individuality is needed to conquer absolute power, and the role of religion (Metropolis moving away from Christian values, and religion being completely replaced by Big Brother).

But I'm not sure if two main body paragraphs is recommended.
I don't believe it is. I know for mine i did 4 paragraphs. So for the idea (say collectivism for you), I'd then create two concepts to look at, the same with your other idea. Have you thought about possibly doing that?
"Live life like a pineapple. Stand tall, wear a crown and be sweet on the inside"

"May you grow up to be righteous; may you grow up to be true. May you always know the truth and see the lights surrounding you. May you always be courageous, stand upright and be strong"

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #3672 on: May 22, 2018, 09:07:09 pm »
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I don't believe it is. I know for mine i did 4 paragraphs. So for the idea (say collectivism for you), I'd then create two concepts to look at, the same with your other idea. Have you thought about possibly doing that?
I'm not sure what you mean by creating two concepts.

I'm not sure if you're referring to an integrated structure, but at the moment, my paragraphs will turn out as two massive body paragraphs if I can't think of another idea to relate to my thesis and question.
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« Reply #3673 on: May 22, 2018, 09:18:44 pm »
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I'm not sure what you mean by creating two concepts.

I'm not sure if you're referring to an integrated structure, but at the moment, my paragraphs will turn out as two massive body paragraphs if I can't think of another idea to relate to my thesis and question.
If i can find it, I'll send you a copy of my essay. Hopefully that'll help!  ;D
"Live life like a pineapple. Stand tall, wear a crown and be sweet on the inside"

"May you grow up to be righteous; may you grow up to be true. May you always know the truth and see the lights surrounding you. May you always be courageous, stand upright and be strong"

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #3674 on: May 23, 2018, 08:19:59 pm »
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Hi can someone please help me, i was just wondering what the term "need to sustain your thesis" means in terms of feedback on essays. I was also wondering how i could improve this sustainment throughout the essay to achieve higher marks.
Thanks in advance!