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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #240 on: July 15, 2016, 04:21:38 pm »
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I tend to disagree here. And I'm only addressing it in relation to your comment Rui because a lot of people espouse the same perspective as you - so I'm just going to do some myth busting :)

 BOSTES has no motive for lying to students on their FAQ when saying that you will not be penalised for selecting a prescribed text as an ORT. It isn't really seen as a lazy way out - because the only way it could be perceived as "lazy" is because you looked at a list, carefully went through the texts to find one you like, and then used that. The only difference between using a text from the prescribed text list and a random text from the world outside of HSC, is that you aren't starting with a written list from BOSTES, but are instead just as easily accessing a text you've already known or have found on google.

The resources available for some prescribed texts are rich, whereas other prescribed text have like, zero resources available (I know this because my Module C text was the latter unfortunately). So it isn't as though all prescribed texts come with an abundance of study help. In saying this, there are definitely texts that aren't on the prescribed text list that have an adundance of resources, because they are studied all around the world for various reasons beyond the HSC. So the argument of resource-help is nullified.

Furthermore, I used an ORT that was not on the prescribed text list (Distant Lands - Tim Winton) and many, many, many teachers have studied this work before because it is a well known text from an Australian author. This didn't set the bar any higher for me because a teacher was familiar with the text. A teacher will not judge your knowledge against their own, that would just be cruel to compare 30+ years of living and studying, to 2 years of intensive HSC. English is cool because everyone can look at the same text and espouse various different interpretations. Furthermore, different modules require you to view a text in a different lens anyway! So, if you choose a Module A prescribed text for your Module C ORT - your analysis of the text will not be compared to the analysis of the Module A student - for the initial reason that the same marker will not mark both modules, but also because what is required of your analysis is entirely different.

Hopefully this clears the air a bit about ORTs from the prescribed text list - and thanks for letting me use your comment, Rui, to bounce off! :)
Haha that's fine. I won't 'dispute' anything :)

The thing is, since English is all about your way of thought I find that the more obscure and difficult texts will impress the examiner more. However provided that they are analysed well enough, of course.

That statement I just said isn't absolute, because if they went for the hardest text in the world and messed up their analysis they obviously walked into the trap. However between two essays that are equally well written in content, I would favour the more challenging text.

(There is actually some HSC maths question that has a graph of how I view choice of texts.)

Nonetheless, of course if the essay was actually so beautifully written (despite having used two or more of the prescribed texts) I know that I would still give it high marks. I just feel a need to impress the marker in not just the manner of essay skills though. But yeah I see your point :)

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #241 on: July 15, 2016, 04:47:51 pm »
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How do you compose an essay when your prescribed text is a set of poems? (e.g. AOS essay or a Module B essay)

I'm talking about how many poems do you integrate into your essays
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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #242 on: July 15, 2016, 05:02:09 pm »
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Haha that's fine. I won't 'dispute' anything :)

The thing is, since English is all about your way of thought I find that the more obscure and difficult texts will impress the examiner more. However provided that they are analysed well enough, of course.

That statement I just said isn't absolute, because if they went for the hardest text in the world and messed up their analysis they obviously walked into the trap. However between two essays that are equally well written in content, I would favour the more challenging text.

(There is actually some HSC maths question that has a graph of how I view choice of texts.)

Nonetheless, of course if the essay was actually so beautifully written (despite having used two or more of the prescribed texts) I know that I would still give it high marks. I just feel a need to impress the marker in not just the manner of essay skills though. But yeah I see your point :)

You're spot on - the better the essay, the greater chance you have of tackling any text you like! :)
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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #243 on: July 15, 2016, 06:06:11 pm »
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How do you compose an essay when your prescribed text is a set of poems? (e.g. AOS essay or a Module B essay)

I'm talking about how many poems do you integrate into your essays
From what I've learnt, you should use at least two poems from the prescribed set, so you have enough textual evidence to substantiate your argument. So for example, my prescribed text for AOS is Rosemary Dobson so I could choose "Cock Crow" and "Painter of Antwerp", and discuss each poem in separate paragraphs. So it would be like:
Idea 1 :
Paragraph 1 - Cock Crow
Paragraph 2 - Related
Idea 2:
Paragraph 3 - Painter
Paragraph 4 - Related
Remember that the poems you choose should effectively address your thesis/topic sentences.
This is just the way I write, so I'm sure there are other ways to go about it!

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #244 on: July 15, 2016, 06:20:12 pm »
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How do you compose an essay when your prescribed text is a set of poems? (e.g. AOS essay or a Module B essay)

I'm talking about how many poems do you integrate into your essays
By the way, I'm not really familiar with poetry in Mod B because my prescribed texts are speeches. So I'm not really sure how many poems you would use... It really depends on how much textual evidence there is in each poem, so if each poem is like a few pages long, then you could probably use at least 2 in discussing your ideas. But if they're pretty brief (like a page), then you'd probably need more? I'm not really sure but I hope I helped a bit.

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #245 on: July 15, 2016, 06:51:09 pm »
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From what I've learnt, you should use at least two poems from the prescribed set, so you have enough textual evidence to substantiate your argument. So for example, my prescribed text for AOS is Rosemary Dobson so I could choose "Cock Crow" and "Painter of Antwerp", and discuss each poem in separate paragraphs. So it would be like:
Idea 1 :
Paragraph 1 - Cock Crow
Paragraph 2 - Related
Idea 2:
Paragraph 3 - Painter
Paragraph 4 - Related
Remember that the poems you choose should effectively address your thesis/topic sentences.
This is just the way I write, so I'm sure there are other ways to go about it!

What if you have 3 ideas though?

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #246 on: July 15, 2016, 07:02:22 pm »
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I did my essays like
Paragraph 1: idea 1
Paragraph 2: idea 2
Paragraph 3: idea 3

Usually I'd break paragraph 1 into two separate paragraphs though since my first theme is usually over killed

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #247 on: July 15, 2016, 07:07:47 pm »
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I did my essays like
Paragraph 1: idea 1
Paragraph 2: idea 2
Paragraph 3: idea 3

Usually I'd break paragraph 1 into two separate paragraphs though since my first theme is usually over killed

Was this for poems/speeches or what?

Also did you do an Integrated response (i.e. you talk about a specfic theme and talk about 2 texts and how they relate to that theme) or did you do a block response (i.e. you talk about a specfic text in one paragraph then in the next you talk about another specfic text,etc)?

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #248 on: July 15, 2016, 07:17:12 pm »
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No more like for everything.

No I never did one text per paragraph; I always did one idea per paragraph. I found that the former method did not resonate with me so I chose not to use it

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #249 on: July 15, 2016, 07:29:45 pm »
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No more like for everything.

No I never did one text per paragraph; I always did one idea per paragraph. I found that the former method did not resonate with me so I chose not to use it

So this was an integrated response?

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #250 on: July 15, 2016, 07:33:38 pm »
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I don't know what an "integrated" response is.

I just write essays that answer questions.

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #251 on: July 15, 2016, 07:46:22 pm »
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I don't know what an "integrated" response is.

I just write essays that answer questions.

What I said above

Integrated response (i.e. you talk about a specfic theme and talk about 2 texts and how they relate to that theme)

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #252 on: July 15, 2016, 07:51:26 pm »
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What I said above

Integrated response (i.e. you talk about a specfic theme and talk about 2 texts and how they relate to that theme)

From what Rui described, it was integrated  ;D

My personal approach was always integrated, one paragraph per idea with every text discussed in each  ;D

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #253 on: July 15, 2016, 07:53:04 pm »
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What I said above

Integrated response (i.e. you talk about a specfic theme and talk about 2 texts and how they relate to that theme)
Well yeah obviously common theme for both texts

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« Reply #254 on: July 15, 2016, 07:55:10 pm »
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From what Rui described, it was integrated  ;D

My personal approach was always integrated, one paragraph per idea with every text discussed in each  ;D

Yeah everyone says integrated response is better

HSC markers and teachers dislike block responses unless it is done exceptionally well