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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #2340 on: July 17, 2017, 11:50:21 am »
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hey I was just wondering how you guys found your related texts and how you guys integrated it into your prescribed texts? im having trouble finding texts that actually fit in with my prescribed and feel like im forcing my related into the essay

thanks!

Hey, is this for AOS or a particular module?

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« Reply #2341 on: July 17, 2017, 12:41:24 pm »
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Hello! For Module B Speeches, I am struggling to find values/themes for Sir William Deane's It's Winter at Home.
I'm writing notes based on values (so I can more easily link the speeches), however I cannot find any other values that Deane presents in his speech other than unity.
Can someone please help me out with this speech?

Hey! That speech is so dry, don't know why it is still on the list. Unity is really the biggest theme, you can also use peace, as well as "the importance of learning from history" (which links nicely to some of the speeches on indigenous Australians) ;D

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #2342 on: July 17, 2017, 12:43:12 pm »
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hey I was just wondering how you guys found your related texts and how you guys integrated it into your prescribed texts? im having trouble finding texts that actually fit in with my prescribed and feel like im forcing my related into the essay

thanks!

Here's a list of suggestions for the Area of Study, if that helps! ;D

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #2343 on: July 17, 2017, 04:19:57 pm »
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Any suggestions on what should we be doing in the 5 and 10 minute reading times for the english papers?  :D
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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #2344 on: July 17, 2017, 04:59:35 pm »
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Any suggestions on what should we be doing in the 5 and 10 minute reading times for the english papers?  :D

For Paper 1, it is always best to read the questions for Section 1 then read all of the texts in Section 1 while finding/preparing answers in your head as you read. If you have extra time, I would suggest read the questions for the creative and the essay as well, and try to adapt your creative and essay to the questions. :)
For Paper 2, of course, do the same for all 3 essays, read the questions and try to adapt your introduction and thesis.
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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #2345 on: July 17, 2017, 05:41:28 pm »
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hey I was just wondering how you guys found your related texts and how you guys integrated it into your prescribed texts? im having trouble finding texts that actually fit in with my prescribed and feel like im forcing my related into the essay

thanks!

I used this template to find easy ways to make correlations between my related text and prescribed text :) It might help you too! It made it really easy to write responses with this in mind.
For Paper 1, it is always best to read the questions for Section 1 then read all of the texts in Section 1 while finding/preparing answers in your head as you read. If you have extra time, I would suggest read the questions for the creative and the essay as well, and try to adapt your creative and essay to the questions. :)
For Paper 2, of course, do the same for all 3 essays, read the questions and try to adapt your introduction and thesis.
Don't freak out and you will do fine!

I vouch for the same approach! I read the questions first so that I could actively seek the answers in the texts as I tried to read as much as possible in the reading time. Mentally this also helped me, because it meant that when people later on were still reading, I was speeding through my response already! :)
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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #2346 on: July 17, 2017, 06:26:14 pm »
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Hey do you know a good related text that i can use for Judith Poems Mod C? I'm hoping to look into either an extract, essay or speech?

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #2347 on: July 18, 2017, 05:17:58 pm »
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Are there any notes for The Second Coming by W.B. Yeats (Mod B)?  I noticed there are notes for all the poems except Second Coming.
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« Reply #2348 on: July 18, 2017, 07:17:34 pm »
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Are there any notes for The Second Coming by W.B. Yeats (Mod B)?  I noticed there are notes for all the poems except Second Coming.

Hi Dante, those were my HSC notes you've found and unfortunately I lost the file for the Second Coming - which is a real shame because that was my favourite poem. If you'd like to construct notes in a similar manner, I used google Scholar a lot to find resources, and tried to find academic's opinions as much as possible to review the poems through! :)
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« Reply #2349 on: July 18, 2017, 07:26:19 pm »
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Hi Dante, those were my HSC notes you've found and unfortunately I lost the file for the Second Coming - which is a real shame because that was my favourite poem. If you'd like to construct notes in a similar manner, I used google Scholar a lot to find resources, and tried to find academic's opinions as much as possible to review the poems through! :)

Alright, thanks Elyse

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #2350 on: July 18, 2017, 07:33:14 pm »
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Hi I hope someone can help me!  :D :D
I'm trying to write my Looking For Richard/Richard III essay and I'm really struggling.
I 'm quite unsure how to structure my essay - should I do it either:
- Thematically eg. Power, Gender, Religion
- Conceptually eg. The Power of the Composer (nature of power and exploitation of surroundings and self to gain power anf influence - both Pacino and Richard) , Complexity of Human Nature and Appearance and Reality (The different roles both Richard and Pacino Play & the 'insubstantial pageant') and then integrate context, values and form and how these have created these key ideas
OR go really basic and one paragraph context, values etc.
Alot of people have suggested different things and I don't know what is most adaptable yet still sophisticated.

Also, I am unsure what to include in paragraphs (idea wise) - I feel most comfortable writing an essay text by text rather than integrated -  and am afraid that my ideas are unsophisticated.
I just find this topic really confusing because it's answering and proving your points through context, values and the relationship between the texts. I have found that alot of students feel there is so much to talk about and that it is so complex that they have no idea what to write about or how to answer questions. How do I/We get around this??  :-\

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #2351 on: July 18, 2017, 07:46:47 pm »
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Whats the best way to learn and prepare for Module B: Speeches for the HSC?

Yea - I'm a unlucky one with the 'potential' prescribed (Its like 1000% that they would honestly.)

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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #2352 on: July 18, 2017, 08:30:58 pm »
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Hi I hope someone can help me!  :D :D
I'm trying to write my Looking For Richard/Richard III essay and I'm really struggling.
I 'm quite unsure how to structure my essay - should I do it either:
- Thematically eg. Power, Gender, Religion
- Conceptually eg. The Power of the Composer (nature of power and exploitation of surroundings and self to gain power anf influence - both Pacino and Richard) , Complexity of Human Nature and Appearance and Reality (The different roles both Richard and Pacino Play & the 'insubstantial pageant') and then integrate context, values and form and how these have created these key ideas
OR go really basic and one paragraph context, values etc.
Alot of people have suggested different things and I don't know what is most adaptable yet still sophisticated.

Also, I am unsure what to include in paragraphs (idea wise) - I feel most comfortable writing an essay text by text rather than integrated -  and am afraid that my ideas are unsophisticated.
I just find this topic really confusing because it's answering and proving your points through context, values and the relationship between the texts. I have found that alot of students feel there is so much to talk about and that it is so complex that they have no idea what to write about or how to answer questions. How do I/We get around this??  :-\

Hey Jess! I won't lie, I read this over about three times because no immediate definitive answer came to my head to help you out! Basically, of the three essay options you've presented, the first two are definitely better than the last. You're saying there's sooo much to talk about and it's leaving you a bit lost. I totally understand. It's overwhelming to select which content you need to sabotage, and which to keep, for the best essay. But, this is a blessed disaster. It's great that you know so much!

As for your paragraph structures. You've got a lot of great ideas. Why not mix a theme with a concept? So one paragraph on a theme, the next on a concept? Or you could approach the paragraphs thematically, but weave one of the concepts (love the one about the power of the composer) into your thesis and throughout your entire response? Obviously you'll need to pick and choose what you leave and take for the essay question thrown your way, but having a solid plan in mind is always great. I wrote an essay on these exact texts and you can download it here if you think it might help! I guess I did mine as one theme, then one concept. So hopefully my essay gives you a vision of how that would look. Please post back if you're still struggling!
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Re: English Advanced Question Thread
« Reply #2353 on: July 18, 2017, 08:37:38 pm »
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Whats the best way to learn and prepare for Module B: Speeches for the HSC?

Yea - I'm a unlucky one with the 'potential' prescribed (Its like 1000% that they would honestly.)

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Hey! So I did Yeats' poetry for this module, so I was in a similar boat. Obviously: it's too risky to leave any stone unturned. It's really important that we approach the study of each with some consideration of, "I could be asked about this specifically - I better not rob myself by doing a shit job of revising." I knew each poem well, if not really well. I was confident in the themes each dealt with and how they dealt with them - so this could be the same for you. I was also very prepared in the links between each (which ones deal with love, politics, religion, etc), so that I had pairings in my head, but also so that if they specified one text, I immediately knew another that I'd be able to bounce off!

Unfortunately I don't have any short cuts to suggest. It is what it is with this module, unfortunately! But remember, you'll do your best in terms of trials - and then it's only upwards from there for HSC! You'll just keep building and building on your knowledge :)

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« Reply #2354 on: July 18, 2017, 08:44:01 pm »
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Hey do you know a good related text that i can use for Judith Poems Mod C? I'm hoping to look into either an extract, essay or speech?

For people and landscapes, here's a few that I know people have used:
-Distant Lands (short story) by Tim Winton
-Act of Union (Seamus Heaney) poem
-Digging (Seamus Heaney) poem

Specifically for your request though, I'll suggest some things I've found online:
https://theconversation.com/friday-essay-land-kinship-and-ownership-of-dreamings-39637
http://www.smh.com.au/news/general/paul-keatings-speech/2008/02/08/1202234143647.html
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/aboriginal-australia-pointing-the-way-for-us-all-20151209-glj8f4.html

Hopefully these help, or at least give you a board to jump from!

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Wilfred Owen will utilise evocative shocking imagery and symbolism throughout his poetry to reconstruct the shocking reality of war towards an audience, capturing their consciousness and drawing them into the world of his poetry. Throughout Owen’s work, he hopes to uncover the truth about war and how it was hypocritical and proganded by deceitful governments. Owen’s powerful poetry illustrates the distressing effect of war upon the young soldiers, deceiving them with false messages of war. The poem ‘Dulce Et Decorum Est’, Wilfred strongly illuminates the promises of honour and glory related with war and exchanges how horrible and the sickening reality of war. Furthermore, the poem ‘Anthem for Doomed Youth’ Owen clearly compares a traditional funeral as a way to demonstrate how the young men have been forsaken by the government. Further,  Owen highlights various images about the expectations of war and compared it with the reality of war through his poems. This has affected the contemporary audience by leaving them in a state of shock about the reality of war. Owen has clearly outlined textual integrity throughout his use of work by conveying both false and true imagery of war to the audience, the pointless and sympathy of it. This will place the audience in visualising various imagery through his poetry.
 

 Within the poem, ‘Dulce Et Decorum Est’ Wilfred utilises strong imagery to attract the audience into his world of poetry in showing them the horror and severity of the battlefield. The poem ‘Dulce Et Decorum Est’ by Owen conveys a reconstructed simplification way of how the government who is now seen as a vicious friend. This is conveyed in the line ‘’ All went lame all blind drunk with fatigue’’.The metaphor ‘’Blind and drunk’’ highlights the government's misuse of power and authority in the treatment of its people. The betrayal upon the soldier's guides as damaging the young men's innocence bodies. This draws the audience in to emphasise with the terrible waste of innocent young lives. Additionally, Owen’s use of the word ‘ sin’ within the line ‘’face like a devil’s sick of sin’’, conveys how even the devil is sick of war. This illustrates how the physical effects of gassing can transform these young boy’s  bodies are a version of hell on earth. This also describes the unnatural and strong effect of the gas upon the dead soldiers The government have clearly betrayed the young soldiers about war through their propaganda. The imagery plunges. In the line ‘’I saw him drowning in all my dreams, before my helpless sight, he plunges at me guttering, choking, drowning. This conveys how the soldier is plunging under water. This draws the audience in visualising horrific reality of war and sounds of these young soldiers destruction and those wartime casualties are never-ending. how these young men have been left for dead and betrayed. The use of metaphorical images in Dulce Et Decorum Est enables the audience to draw themselves into the vicious reality of war in Owen’s poetry.









Equivalently, the poem ‘Anthem for Doomed Youth’ commands the contemporary audience to affirm the brutal conditions of the young soldiers on the battlefield. Owen highlights the waste in the battlefield and how the young who have lost their lives have not been recognised. This is, illustrated in the line ‘’ Who die as cattle’’ rather than a traditional passing. The use of a simile in this line illuminates how the young soldiers have been treated like animals and have been taken away in packs ready to be slaughtered.The manipulative government have let down these “boys” even after death as Wilfred makes clear the juxtaposition of a traditional church funeral and the horrific battlefield funeral. This is evident through appealing to the audience’s sense of sound in the line  “The shrill demented choirs of wailing shells”. The use of personification draws the audience into the horrific sounds of the shelling in the battlefield as Owen illustrates the contrast between the traditional church bells and the menacing whistle of shelling in war. Finally, the use of aural imagery and personification in the line “Only the monstrous anger of the guns’’ illustrates the terrible image of the soldiers only confronting the gun fires and the horror of war. These images of war convey and challenge the audience to analyse the futility of war, Wilfred Owen work highlights the young soldiers have been treated severely like packs of animals and have been left to die horribly on the battlefield. This places the audience of understanding these young boys doom.  
 
Moreover, Owen’s ‘Dulce Et Decorum Est’ poem draws the audience to empathise with the brutal reality of the deceived soldiers of World War 1 through distinctive imagery. The poem Dulce Et Decorum Est communicates the falsehood and deception about the battlefield conveyed by the government through misleading propaganda. In the line  “Men marched asleep’’, these young soldiers have been compared to the walking dead. The use of metaphor and alliteration the line emphasises that many young soldiers have become numb to their horrific surroundings and are mindlessly following orders. Owen’s use of WHAT? illustrates how the authorities, through their false propaganda, have ultimately led soldiers to their deaths. Furthermore, the line “Knock-Kneed coughing like hags we cursed through sludge’’, the use of onomatopoeia conveys strong mental imagery within the word ‘’coughing’’ illuminates severe horrible sounds and which the soldiers were treated at the battlefield. Owen uses alliteration in the word ‘’knock-Kneed’ constructs horrific sounds of the dying soldiers who are getting wasted at the battlefield. This pulls the contemporary audience in visualising the distressing auditory imagery and how the innocent young soldiers have been left for wastage. Lastly, Wilfred uses visual and auditory images which draw the audience in visualising the horrific sounds and images of the reality of WW1. 












Lastly, Owen’s sestet structured poem ‘Anthem for Doomed Youth’ engages the responder in the brutal world of World War 1 with strong religious imagery.The metaphor and imagery of  “Candles’’ within the line ‘’What Candles may be held to speed them all’’ illustrates that these innocent young men have received a rushed and chaotic burial on the battlefield. Wilfred emphasises the authorities carelessness and lack of ritual for these young men. This engages the audience’s consciousness of understanding the horrific impact of war on these young men. The use of metaphor in the line ‘’The pallor of girls brows shall be their pall’’, makes reference to the sheet placed over the coffin in a church funeral. Owen conveys that rather than receiving this, however, they will only get the sadness of their lovers as their lives were wasted on the battlefield. This draws the responder to emphasise with the lack of respect and honours these young soldiers received even after death. Owen personified use of the word bulges in the line ‘’ And bugles calling for them from sad shires’’, the word bugles highlights the effect of the death of these young soldiers which has affected those at home. This draws the responder into the world of these young boy's fate. The metaphor within the line “And each slow dusk a drawing-down of blinds’’ illuminates how these young men at war will be killed harshly and mistreated in war. This also illustrates the mourning practice is to close the blinds of a house as this did not occur for these young men as they have the sun going down and the battle being over at day. The use of metaphorical imagery within this sonnet poem draws the contemporary audience in understanding the destructive world of these young men whose lives were wasted for a deceitful government.

In conclusion, Wilfred Owen attracts the contemporary audience within the world of his poetry through various visual and auditory poetic techniques within the poems ‘Dulce Et Decorum Est’ and ‘Anthem for Doomed Youth’. Wilfred communicates this through evocative imagery to the audience. The poem ‘Dulce Et Decorum Est’ illustrates the horrific reality of war and the pointless deaths of the young innocent soldiers. Similarly, the poem ‘Anthem for Doomed Youth’ outlines how the horrific battlefield draws the elimination of purity and innocence of these young poor soldiers which is damaging the whole of human society through the comparison of the sounds and images of a traditional church funeral and a chaotic battlefield funeral. Owen’s appeal of the senses and use of imagery draws the contemporary audience to get an insight into the reality of war as compared to the government's heroic portrayal of war. Owen has used imagery in portraying how useless and how prophetic war really is he has demonstrated this through his poems and his use of communication of the horror and horrific of the battlefield, his drawing the audience into the disgusting reality of war within his world of poetry.

Hi there this is my module B essay and i got a B for this essay and i would love to improve on it to get to an A so it can be ready for the trials.
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Hey there! Thanks for posting your essay. We are on a serious back log at the moment from the trial lectures and now the trial rush, just in terms of marking. We are doing our best to be on top of it, I'm sorry that it's not likely we'll get to your essay in the normal speed, but we're doing our best :) If there's a particular paragraph or so you're desperate for feedback on, just let me know and I'll happily give you feedback on that particularly in the interim :)
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