English Advanced Question Thread

[chloe9756]

What is the technique for "having the spirit of a dreamer" in this quote?

“… unlike Alberto, I was very happy to leave. I was feeling uneasy, more than anything because having the spirit of a dreamer. I was particularly jaded with medical school, hospitals and exams.”

[anotherworld2b]

Hi I was wondering if I could have help understanding what abstract nouns and nominalised words are and how to use them in my writing

[Adammurad]

Hey, does anyone know two satirical texts which are based on the same subject (no racism, sexism or classism), that i can use for my oral presentation ?I am having a lot of trouble finding two texts thanks

[bsdfjnlkasn]

Hi, I'm sure these questions have been answered somewhere deep in the ATAR notes forum so sorry if I'm repeating things that others have already asked...
1. For my essays should I be citing my quotes? For instance for Hamlet, should I write (1.4) or (act 1, sc. 4) or anything after referencing the text?
2. Does anyone have any tips for trying to remember 3 essays at once for modules? I'm concerned that while I'm cementing the techniques/quotes in my head for one essay, I'm forgetting the details of the other two.
Thanks! 

Hey there,

1. I would give some context for the quote if it's relevant to the point your arguing. Otherwise, I just include the quote to prove my point. Be careful not to fall into retell which often happens if you start giving too much context around your quotes and writing a plot-driven essay. So I personally don't cite where I get my quotes from and I've been told by all my teachers that it's a waste of time because your marker will be familiar with the text regardless.

2. I personally don't remember essays because I think it locks you out of answering a question well. But obviously the arguments for and against are equally valid. So if you're set on memorising an essay, learn your points first, your analysis next and then all the words around it that make your essay sound sophisticated. If you're running out of time though, just remember points and pick quotes that you can apply widely i.e. analyse for multiple things.

Hopefully this helped

[bsdfjnlkasn]

I was wondering how you went about pre-prepared responses with the possibility of being asked one or two related texts for discovery? Did you have your main response you relied on and just intertwined a second related text if need be?

Hey there!

So in terms of being asked for two related texts, I just wanted to start off by saying that it is very unlikely. It hasn't been asked in the HSC for ages and the reason for that is it prevents students from writing their best work. Think about it this way, we're usually expected to write about 2 texts with the same level of depth whilst synthesising ideas across them. Chuck in another text and restrict us to the same amount of time, well we're going to have to compromise quality for quantity.

BUT, in terms of structuring the essay in the off chance that it is asked, I would do it this way.

P1: Prescribed introduces idea 1
P2: Related 1
P3: Prescribed introduces second idea
P4: Related 2

It would be really tricky of your teachers to give you two related texts, especially if you haven't done much practice or had some inkling that that is what they'll ask. But always link it to your prescribed, don't worry about synthesising/connecting your related texts, you just don't have time

Finally, don't rely too heavily on your pre-prepared response. You need to be flexible, so ensure you have extra evidence/ideas that you can mould to any question to ensure that it is fully answered. So yes, go off your prepared response for the first three paragraphs and then add the last to ensure that you're dealing with the texts equally

Hopefully that helped!

[taylorlucy]

Thank you!

[bsdfjnlkasn]

What is the technique for "having the spirit of a dreamer" in this quote?

“… unlike Alberto, I was very happy to leave. I was feeling uneasy, more than anything because having the spirit of a dreamer. I was particularly jaded with medical school, hospitals and exams.”

Hey there!

I'm not too sure if this is the best analysis because i'm just not sure of the quotes' contexts, but i'll give it my best shot

So for your first quote, I would classify that as characterisation. It might be useful to include if you're discussing the character's values or attitudes

Hmm for the second, you could look at the different sentence lengths which create contrast, or the listing in the final. We also have high modality language "very" "more than anything" or, even "particularly".

Let me know if that was helpful or not, it's a bit difficult not knowing what you're analysing for so my techniques could have been rubbish lol

[beau77bro]

how are we supposed to show the difference between a rediscovery and a first time discovery in a creative.

so for a first time we illustrate how we learnt something

for a rediscovery do we have to emphasise that we know or that we knew something? like how do we go about showing we already learnt a lesson - do we just show two similar internal crises and come to the same conclusion?

can these even ask for a rediscovery? - that would be so hard to cover two points of discovery in 800 words.

[bsdfjnlkasn]

Hi I was wondering if I could have help understanding what abstract nouns and nominalised words are and how to use them in my writing

Hey there!

So for your first point on abstract nouns, it's definitely important to include them in your discussion of any text because that's what will help elevate your response. So rather than speaking concretely about a text, focus on more conceptual ideas or themes. This is what texts ultimately examine, different themes like truth, happiness or anything to do with humanity. So if you can get your analysis to deal with these ideas, you can more clearly focus your analysis on these thematic explorations, and distinguish your response from others that simply retell.

Now for your second point, I'm pretty sure I remember Elyse mentioning nominalised words a while back .. But I can't exactly remember where Regardless, it's great to have you ask about them because it's a fairly simple way to add sophistication to your essays (not to mention that it saves words, too ). In terms of using them, I would say the best thing to do is read some essays that use nominalised words so that you can get a feel for what they're like - check out the notes sections, or Elyse, if she's reading, might be able to reference you a few particularly good examples. After you've done that, it would be best to scan through a piece of yours and then see where you can make some appropriate replacements - look for the verbs and make them into nouns .


Let me know if this was helpful or not

[bsdfjnlkasn]

Hey, does anyone know two satirical texts which are based on the same subject (no racism, sexism or classism), that i can use for my oral presentation ?I am having a lot of trouble finding two texts thanks

Hey there,

I can't help you out directly with many examples, but if you could tell us more about what topic this is for, that would help us out

[katie,rinos]

Hi I was wondering if I could have help understanding what abstract nouns and nominalised words are and how to use them in my writing

Hey,
Emily mentioned this in her lecture in the holidays. So nominalisation is where verbs are turned into nouns. It can make the writing more concise and academic. There are a few examples in the powerpoint from the lectures that should be up in the notes section.
Hope this helps

[bsdfjnlkasn]

how are we supposed to show the difference between a rediscovery and a first time discovery in a creative.

so for a first time we illustrate how we learnt something

for a rediscovery do we have to emphasise that we know or that we knew something? like how do we go about showing we already learnt a lesson - do we just show two similar internal crises and come to the same conclusion?

can these even ask for a rediscovery? - that would be so hard to cover two points of discovery in 800 words.

Hey there!

They can definitely ask you to write a creative on rediscovery because it's there in the rubric

To distinguish between the two (which I think is important to do) you could use a flashback to show where else your character has encountered the object/experience  

[anotherworld2b]

Would you happen to know what the powerpoint is called?

Hey,
Emily mentioned this in her lecture in the holidays. So nominalisation is where verbs are turned into nouns. It can make the writing more concise and academic. There are a few examples in the powerpoint from the lectures that should be up in the notes section.
Hope this helps

[katie,rinos]

Would you happen to know what the powerpoint is called?

I think this is the link https://atarnotes.com/note/atar-notes-trial-lectures-english-advanced-slides/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=email&utm_term=email&utm_content=email&mc_cid=76291c44c7&mc_eid=5031595e58

[winstondarmawan]

Hello! How would you guys answer this discovery extended response Q? It is very confusing.
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