Unfair marks?

[Swagadaktal]

Nope, used quite a few programs to get accurate measurements on many of the calculations, accurate locations such as magnitude and latitude and various examples to compare with, while some had none.

Though You may think it's not worth much to me in year 9, I'm just a normal person born into a house of geniuses, it's quite hard to keep up with their standards. they haven't been in the best mood recently due to the amount of work they have on their hands with house moving and all.

Though I do know that these don't contribute to VCE or anything, they can't take the fact that it's like that since they are so used to the Chinese grading systems (not Chinese, we are a minority group), they put the entire 11 million population group's weight on me by keeping on telling me that I'm the only one studying in a selective school, seriously, the pressure isn't something you will get even if you are in a really strict family

LOL BUDDY.
BUDDY.
trust me you are not the only person who faces expectations and the stresses that come with them.

Trust me.

Yes we can all relate, it's a matter of dealing with the expectations and not letting them get to you. Yes, your family is correct you have a brilliant opportunity to do your best at a select entry school - welcome it with both hands and enjoy your experiences whilst at it. The thing is, your parents/family wont care about your marks as long as you put in the effort. If you get a low mark given that you put in a lot of effort your parents will then be extremely concerned. It's natural. And in no way is the mark you received low so I don't see any reason for them caring too much about your score.

And the only pressure you seem to have is from your parents wanting you to get good marks? Dude I wish my family was the main source of pressure on myself, but instead it's me. I place all the pressure on myself. And I can't escape myself.

Look, I know you're pretty salty that you didn't get the mark you think you deserve, and that may very well be the case, but maybe it's not. Just relax, look at where you can improve, and put things into perspective.

[Dat1guy]

The problem is, they only think I play games when I'm on my computers, once they see the report they will just blame it on me playing whilst I spent all my time researching, and they don't even believe me if I say otherwise

Well, anyways, I have to prepare for tomorrow Chorals, cheers to forrest

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your parents/family wont care about your marks as long as you put in the effort

I don't see any reason for them caring too much about your score.

This would indicate to me that you don't understand the level of pressure of some parents.

@Dat1guy, it's tough, and there's not much you can do about it except keep working your best.  What I'd recommend - but I well know how hard this can be, so no blame if you can't! - is a straight chat with your parents, just explaining to them (politely) how you feel about their excess pressure and about them not believing you; they probably haven't seen it from your perspective yet.  Also give them time to talk about how they feel and why, making sure you listen and try to see it from their perspective rather than arguing.

[Orson]

This would indicate to me that you don't understand the level of pressure of some parents.

@Dat1guy, it's tough, and there's not much you can do about it except keep working your best.  What I'd recommend - but I well know how hard this can be, so no blame if you can't! - is a straight chat with your parents, just explaining to them (politely) how you feel about their excess pressure and about them not believing you; they probably haven't seen it from your perspective yet.  Also give them time to talk about how they feel and why, making sure you listen and try to see it from their perspective rather than arguing.

Oh Heidi. I'm so happy you can along and said something without reking him.

EDIT: Not that you ever rek people.

[Glasses]

Hello there not sure if this is the right section, but I'm kinda in a bad mood

Did a great assignment, compared it too all my friends, all said mine was better, I had 10 pages there with great colour codes diagrams and such. But then the results

I get 25/30 A

This might be good to some of you, but not to me.

A few friends of mine who wrote it on PAPER (he said type it up) with no subheadings or titles (he said we must do that) got a 26/30 A, 27/30 and a 30/30. The 27 one even had near no diagrams.
They also only did about 3 pages without legends or such on their diagrams with only estimated measurements while I measured all mine personally and accurately to the nearest digit.

I don't understand how this is fair in any way, their diagrams didn't even have half the BOLTSS conventions in them and they still get full marks for that section!

I can't even approach the teacher cause he is the kind to instantly take off marks for asking for a remark for no reasons

What am I supposed to do?

Just to chip in my two cents:

Maybe geography just isn't your best subject?
We all have different strengths and weaknesses with regards to subjects (e.g. - as you may be able to judge by my signature, maths and I do not mix).
Since you are in year 9, you have a great opportunity to see what subjects you're best at, and which ones you're not so good at. - There's nothing wrong with being below average for some subjects. --- Look up Gardner's Theory of Multiple Intelligences (#psychlife), and this will become evident. So even though a 25/30 isn't what you're "used to", this could be an indication that geography is one of your weakest subjects. Again, nothing wrong with that.

You've gotten into a great school, so don't get caught up with one grade and waste your opportunity. - Because that is dumb.

Additionally, I just want to mention that you will find (especially in VCE), that one's effort doesn't necessarily reflect in one's results. You could put all of your blood, sweat and tears into an assignment, but I'm afraid that you're never guaranteed the score you want, or the score you think you deserve.

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EDIT: Not that you ever rek people.

Libel!  That is so not true.  I could point you to at least two cases in my life.

[Swagadaktal]

Additionally, I just want to mention that you will find (especially in VCE), that one's effort doesn't necessarily reflect in one's results. You could put all of your blood, sweat and tears into an assignment, but I'm afraid that you're never guaranteed the score you want, or the score you think you deserve.

Erm I have to disagree with this. Effort that's placed in the correct areas will lead to a certain result. People who put in a lot of effort, but not in the correct areas may find themselves without the result they wanted. Now, you can never guarantee your dream mark, but you can guarantee a certain mark. I.E someone could guarantee themselves at least a 40 in methods given they have done the appropriate work with the appropriate amount of effort. Getting higher than 40 is then up to other factors.

[Syndicate]

But then again, some of them somehow wing it and do it the night before and Lunch on the day to somehow get higher than me, then proceed to mock me on the regard, can't help but feel annoyed  after having it for 2 days

How do you know that they aren't lying? I have had a lot of experience with these kind of people, and seen them brag about their marks (they do put in an effort, but they just don't show it). Eventually, in the end, I congratulate them for getting an exceptional mark and move on. If they do mock you for getting a worse result than them, it is usually because you have been getting exceptional marks in the past, and maybe they might be jealous? (just saying off my past experiences).

[Glasses]

Erm I have to disagree with this. Effort that's placed in the correct areas will lead to a certain result. People who put in a lot of effort, but not in the correct areas may find themselves without the result they wanted. Now, you can never guarantee your dream mark, but you can guarantee a certain mark. I.E someone could guarantee themselves at least a 40 in methods given they have done the appropriate work with the appropriate amount of effort. Getting higher than 40 is then up to other factors.

But what about those who don't test well? Someone could have done the appropriate amount of work, and put in the same amount of effort as someone who gets a 50 - but if they struggle with exam conditions, anxiety, if one question which confuses them completely throws them off*, etc. they're unlikely to get a 40. (In my opinion). Obviously this varies depending on the severity of such factors, but I'd still say that know one is ever guaranteed anything.

* Like one year, didn't 90% of students get 0 marks for a methods question - I'd say that this probably threw a number of people off their game, which reflected in their overall exam performance. I think if I were in that position, it would rattle me a bit.

[lurkering]

Sometimes it does come down to whether or not your teacher has had their morning coffee or not. Also...make sure to check what you are being marked on; is graphing only weighted as 20% of the grade compared to analysis being 65%? Sure you can have this great, thorough analysis..but if the exam paper (or whatever) only awards two marks to the question, you can only get two marks. The vast majority of people that say they don't study and still manage get to the top of the class are lying lmao. However there will be cases as you go above year 9 that someone else's 20% 'effort' will be better than your 70% 'effort'.

Your posts kind of give the vibe that you look down on 'them'.

[Swagadaktal]

* Like one year, didn't 90% of students get 0 marks for a methods question - I'd say that this probably threw a number of people off their game, which reflected in their overall exam performance. I think if I were in that position, it would rattle me a bit.

If 90% of people get 0 marks for a methods question then 90% of people are facing the exact same circumstances. It's a matter of dealing with it internally - and the 90% getting 0 marks would probably be at the end end of the methods paper soo You've already finished the exam by then.

And yes, exam anxiety occurs. TBH I have severe exam anxiety, I'd make the stupidest mistakes - I got just under 2 hours of sleep before my methods exam. But my preparation allowed me to reach a certain benchmark.
So no, I will not accept exam anxiety as an excuse for not achieving your results. THERE ARE SOME CASES WHERE THIS MAY BE TRUE. But in 99% of cases, this isn't true.
And if someone who has prepared the same amount and of the same quality as someone who received a 50, then I think that they'll get at least a 40 in 99.9999% of cases.

And can we define the word guaranteed? It's not like people rock up on the day and leave without writing anything coz they're guaranteed. But rather they're just enabled enough and have completed enough questions to solve the majority of the exam questions without any issues and with good accuracy. The difference between a 50 and a 40 is not 2 or 3 marks, but rather 12-15 marks (not sure what it is exactly) - so if you've prepared like someone who has received a 50, there is significant room for error in order for someone to achieve a 40.

[Orb]

Though You may think it's not worth much to me in year 9, I'm just a normal person born into a house of geniuses, it's quite hard to keep up with their standards. they haven't been in the best mood recently due to the amount of work they have on their hands with house moving and all.

Though I do know that these don't contribute to VCE or anything, they can't take the fact that it's like that since they are so used to the Chinese grading systems (not Chinese, we are a minority group), they put the entire 11 million population group's weight on me by keeping on telling me that I'm the only one studying in a selective school, seriously, the pressure isn't something you will get even if you are in a really strict family

I come from a family friend circle where 99.85 is a "shit" ATAR and 99.90 is considered 'okay' , where 50 raw is considered the norm and coming 2nd in an excellent school like MHS is met with the scathing remark "only 2nd? why not dux?".

A way to distance yourself from these external expectations is to write down a few things that you are grateful for.
Try to write three things every day, something that you appreciate about your lifestyle, about what you have.

Once you write these things down each and every day, you'll begin to experience something new, something that you wouldn't otherwise experience in normal family life.

Effort doesn't always necessarily reflect in results, but without effort, you will never experience true results.

[Orb]

In relation to your friends mocking you, the easiest way to deal with this is just tell them:

"guys i've put in a lot of work on this and I don't appreciate you mocking my effort".

If they continue to mock you even after multiple warnings, I'd seriously consider why you're still friends with them. I wouldn't stay as friends with people who don't understand when a joke has gone too far.

[Glasses]

If 90% of people get 0 marks for a methods question then 90% of people are facing the exact same circumstances. It's a matter of dealing with it internally - and the 90% getting 0 marks would probably be at the end end of the methods paper soo You've already finished the exam by then.

And yes, exam anxiety occurs. TBH I have severe exam anxiety, I'd make the stupidest mistakes - I got just under 2 hours of sleep before my methods exam. But my preparation allowed me to reach a certain benchmark.
So no, I will not accept exam anxiety as an excuse for not achieving your results. THERE ARE SOME CASES WHERE THIS MAY BE TRUE. But in 99% of cases, this isn't true.
And if someone who has prepared the same amount and of the same quality as someone who received a 50, then I think that they'll get at least a 40 in 99.9999% of cases.

And can we define the word guaranteed? It's not like people rock up on the day and leave without writing anything coz they're guaranteed. But rather they're just enabled enough and have completed enough questions to solve the majority of the exam questions without any issues and with good accuracy. The difference between a 50 and a 40 is not 2 or 3 marks, but rather 12-15 marks (not sure what it is exactly) - so if you've prepared like someone who has received a 50, there is significant room for error in order for someone to achieve a 40.

I was using the methods exam purely as an example. But it's an indication of the way in which preparation doesn't necessarily mean you'll get the answer. And my point is that many people cannot deal with it internally. Mental illness gets the better of heaps of people.

With regards to exam anxiety, I get that - however not everyone is fortunate enough to reach a certain "benchmark". I can empathise with your experience of exam anxiety, however with all due respect, there are students who experience anxiety far worse than what you may have experienced - because unfortunately for many of those students, they cannot achieve a 35, let alone a 40. For example, imagine you've put everything you've got into a subject, but during your exam, you have a panic attack. Accordingly, your hands are trembling, your heart and breathing rates are up, you feel like you're choking and you experience a sense of derealisation. Now even though this might have lasted 15-20 minutes (if your lucky), you're completely shaken for the rest of the exam, and then, your generalised anxiety disorder starts to kick in - your thoughts go from "I know the answers" (pre-panic attack), to "what if they can't read my handwriting? What if I misunderstood the question? I've lost too much time to go back over things. I'm not going to get into uni, etc." (post-panic attack). - Evidently, your thought processes are all over the place, your memory is inhibited, and you can't focus on the actual questions you're being asked. Therefore, it's extremely unlikely that you'll get an A+ on the exam (as many subjects require to get 40+), and ultimately, you get a SS of 33. So despite your enormous efforts and preparation, your mental illness prevented you from achieving what you deserve or what you were believed to be 'guaranteed.'
- And although you might not think it, this is extremely common; many students are just good at hiding it.

My point here is that anxiety, in my opinion, is definitely a valid excuse for not achieving the results you deserve.

Additionally, I think that you were fortunate to achieve whatever benchmark you were with only 2 hours sleep - because that is some serious sleep deprivation. Psych students would know (as they cover this at the beginning of unit 3) that many symptoms of sleep deprivation include the inability to complete control processes (which the completion of an exam is), an inability to concentrate or focus on one task (again, which an exam involves), slower reflexes and voluntary movements (thus, difficulty writing), and more.
Similar to anxiety, this kind of sleep deprivation is definitely a valid excuse for not achieving a 40 - despite preparation.
(And for a lot of people with insomnia, sleep deprivation cannot be avoided and cannot be prevented by just 'going to bed earlier.')

Lastly, whether there is significant room for error completely depends on the subject. E.g. - in legal, if you lose 9 marks on the exam, you won't get an A+.

[Swagadaktal]

I was using the methods exam purely as an example. But it's an indication of the way in which preparation doesn't necessarily mean you'll get the answer. And my point is that many people cannot deal with it internally. Mental illness gets the better of heaps of people.

With regards to exam anxiety, I get that - however not everyone is fortunate enough to reach a certain "benchmark". I can empathise with your experience of exam anxiety, however with all due respect, there are students who experience anxiety far worse than what you may have experienced - because unfortunately for many of those students, they cannot achieve a 35, let alone a 40. For example, imagine you've put everything you've got into a subject, but during your exam, you have a panic attack. Accordingly, your hands are trembling, your heart and breathing rates are up, you feel like you're choking and you experience a sense of derealisation. Now even though this might have lasted 15-20 minutes (if your lucky), you're completely shaken for the rest of the exam, and then, your generalised anxiety disorder starts to kick in - your thoughts go from "I know the answers" (pre-panic attack), to "what if they can't read my handwriting? What if I misunderstood the question? I've lost too much time to go back over things. I'm not going to get into uni, etc." (post-panic attack). - Evidently, your thought processes are all over the place, your memory is inhibited, and you can't focus on the actual questions you're being asked. Therefore, it's extremely unlikely that you'll get an A+ on the exam (as many subjects require to get 40+), and ultimately, you get a SS of 33. So despite your enormous efforts and preparation, your mental illness prevented you from achieving what you deserve or what you were believed to be 'guaranteed.'
- And although you might not think it, this is extremely common; many students are just good at hiding it.

My point here is that anxiety, in my opinion, is definitely a valid excuse for not achieving the results you deserve.

Additionally, I think that you were fortunate to achieve whatever benchmark you were with only 2 hours sleep - because that is some serious sleep deprivation. Psych students would know (as they cover this at the beginning of unit 3) that many symptoms of sleep deprivation include the inability to complete control processes (which the completion of an exam is), an inability to concentrate or focus on one task (again, which an exam involves), slower reflexes and voluntary movements (thus, difficulty writing), and more.
Similar to anxiety, this kind of sleep deprivation is definitely a valid excuse for not achieving a 40 - despite preparation.
(And for a lot of people with insomnia, sleep deprivation cannot be avoided and cannot be prevented by just 'going to bed earlier.')

Lastly, whether there is significant room for error completely depends on the subject. E.g. - in legal, if you lose 9 marks on the exam, you won't get an A+.

WAIT a second. Mental illness and testing poorly are two separate things. Nothing that I have said pertains to Mental illnesses, I don't have anywhere enough information nor do I have the right to comment on mental illnesses  because I have no idea what they're like. So I'm sorry if it felt like I was saying that mental illnesses were not an excuse - because the symptoms of mental illnesses are far greater than I can comprehend.

But. All the symptoms of anxiety I think is common to all students. I'm fairly certain at least 70% of students doubt themselves over simple things such as handwriting and not reading the question properly - it's human nature. Now, if someone faces medically diagnosed levels of anxiety than this does not apply to them. But, for students who don't have these issues, but rather just exam anxiety (like just about everyone else in the state) - then this anxiety shouldn't inhibit their ability to complete the exam to a great extent. I don't think anyone has a perfect exam experience, you look at the english forums after the exam and you see people talking about how they're completely distressed and thought they bombed the exam, and come results day they receive outstanding results. That kind of exam anxiety is normal. People face test anxiety all the time and it does effect their results- but it doesn't completely control your results.

And yes, sleep deprivation does cause issues in memory impairment, but also outlined in sleep deprivation is that it does NOT impair short complex tasks - Yes sleep deprivation will impact memory, but by the point of the exam a student who has claimed to study and prepared as efficiently and as much as someone who deserves a 50 should be able to recall this information because they know it back to front. - they might forget a thing or two but it's not overly disastrous.

And legal studies - losing 9 marks may barely scrape you an A+ or maybe not - but the legal exam is out of 70 marks. 9 marks is 13% of the whole exam. 12-15 marks on methods is around 10-12% of the total exam.

So I'm not here to belittle or trivialise mental conditions. I won't even comment on them because I don't feel like I have the right to. But anxiety is universal among students, I'm an extremely anxious student, (ask hamo how many times i got him to predict me methods score lol ) - but I'm not going to use my exam anxiety as an excuse to inhibit myself from my dreams, but rather I'm going to work around it to make sure I achieve the best result I can.