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Re: Anyone NOT doing maths/didn't do maths for their VCE?
« Reply #45 on: February 02, 2012, 12:17:26 pm »
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You should do Methods or Further, the skills you gain from it are important, you usually want to be able to mathematically understand things. I have always found maths useful when I'm able to analyse things mathematically.

Like, I can't imagine not being able to describe things as "exponentially decreasing" and stuff like that or "sinusoidal" - if you don't do maths, you just won't have that little bit of understanding.

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Re: Anyone NOT doing maths/didn't do maths for their VCE?
« Reply #46 on: February 02, 2012, 12:37:47 pm »
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Yes.
I will go further.

"We need people with high literacy rates so that they can EXPLAIN the mathematics"

Methods is one of the most useful subjects; not only is it a prerequisite for a lot of uni courses it also provides a good insight into mathematical relations.

However, I can't contest the argument that you need English to understand the ambiguous wording of problems. I've had my fair share of frustration over the way some easy problems are worded.
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Re: Anyone NOT doing maths/didn't do maths for their VCE?
« Reply #47 on: February 02, 2012, 01:39:10 pm »
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However, I can't contest the argument that you need English to understand the ambiguous wording of problems. I've had my fair share of frustration over the way some easy problems are worded.

Yep; I relate to your experiences of numerous ambiguous questions as seen in a range of textbooks. I often got the feeling that "revised editions" of maths textbooks were just newer books, perhaps with a few answers in the back amended, a more recent year stamped on the inside of the front cover, a more colourful cover, and expressions such as "Edition XX: with new improved XX" plastered over the cover (despite there not being much visible improvement).

However (maybe because I studied a LOTE foreign to me, and English Language), I found myself, in many cases, able to 'analyse the context of questions (if you will)'. I suppose I did this by reading the question over a few times and considering the most likely intended meaning of the question through some educated guessing as well as considering the intended the meanings of ambiguous questions I had answered in the past.

Although I cannot pin down the complete reason for my ability to better interpret opaque questions than my peers, I am quite sure I did have a significantly sharper mind in interpreting ambiguous questions when compared to some of my capable peers (who often consulted me about the ambiguous questions). I am convinced that studying the two aforementioned subjects gave me an extra edge in 'unlocking' ambiguous questions. Furthermore, I reiterate that past questions I had encountered must have been a large factor in helping me understand unclear questions.

I also acknowledge that:
- I don't really have any specific examples of ambiguous questions to discuss (so my argument can fairly be seen as weak)
- I have encountered a few (but not too many) ambiguous questions which I could not interpret and answer
- Ambiguous questions are not to be applauded as they are the result of poor writing (although some might argue it stimulates the mind xD)
- I can't really say that my interpretations of ambiguous questions were correct (I just realised this :'(); I simply wound up with the same answer in the back of the book. So I guess it's more accurate to say that I correctly interpreted the author's intended meaning?
- There is usually more than one 'correct' answer to such ambiguous questions
- You and I may have experienced totally different kinds of ambiguous questions (again destroying my argument). Btw, I used the "Cambridge Essential" MM textbook
- I did not do VCE English (I did Eng Lang, and only just realised this >_<) so maybe my argument is completely invalid..
- There is more to acknowledge

However, I've also had experiences in which peers had trouble answering unambiguous questions simply because "the wording was difficult". Thus I can safely say that proficiency in English is a prerequisite to proficiency in Maths (even if only slightly)

Just my two cents worth

TL;DR English may sometimes help maths

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Re: Anyone NOT doing maths/didn't do maths for their VCE?
« Reply #48 on: February 02, 2012, 01:43:41 pm »
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We need English to make sure people understand things the same way.

 - Let's eat, Grandma!!!
 - Let's eat Grandma!!!

mean two very different things, we don't want to inadvertantly eat Grandma because we don't all understand English the same way :P