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Re: Paper 2 Exam Discussion (Advanced)
« Reply #60 on: October 14, 2016, 10:36:48 pm »
Hmmm well.
Me and our English Class had fun.
Module A: Richard and "LFR" quotes.
What did this have to do with Richard and what did we have to do? Who is Redgrave? What did the quotes have in common or what?
don't even know what I wrote about or how I did.
Module A: Fail
Module B: Speeches
Great a reference to Lessing, i was the one of few who studied it as my main. But 'social change' ?
Module B: Meh
Module C: Brave New World
No quotes that fit the question but easy question though
So Paper 2 = RIP and B.S. it like anything
ended up with only 4 pages each yay.

Welcome to the forums James! Paper 2 certainly sounded quite intensely specific this year, glad to see you on the other side :) good luck for the rest of your exams!!

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Re: Paper 2 Exam Discussion (Advanced)
« Reply #61 on: October 14, 2016, 10:37:36 pm »
Mod A... we did Dubliners x Seamus Heaney and rip they allocated a poem AND a short story to do... I didn't even know what the short story was about (A Painful Case) so I just crammed in all the techniques from the excerpt. It was quite sad, considering I got As for this essay during the year and trials

Mod B, (speeches) bless the HSC markers for choosing Lessing because it was the one I prepared for. I did Pearson along with it (rip apparently they don't fit?) but I kinda talked about them separately and linked them there and here a bit

Mod C, for the Crucible question was okay but because I was stressing about mod a and b, not sure whether I did well or not. Hopefully I get in the 80s T__T
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Re: Paper 2 Exam Discussion (Advanced)
« Reply #62 on: October 14, 2016, 11:48:04 pm »
Mod A... we did Dubliners x Seamus Heaney and rip they allocated a poem AND a short story to do... I didn't even know what the short story was about (A Painful Case) so I just crammed in all the techniques from the excerpt. It was quite sad, considering I got As for this essay during the year and trials

Mod B, (speeches) bless the HSC markers for choosing Lessing because it was the one I prepared for. I did Pearson along with it (rip apparently they don't fit?) but I kinda talked about them separately and linked them there and here a bit

Mod C, for the Crucible question was okay but because I was stressing about mod a and b, not sure whether I did well or not. Hopefully I get in the 80s T__T

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Re: Paper 2 Exam Discussion (Advanced)
« Reply #63 on: October 15, 2016, 12:03:56 am »
Please help!
In Module C, I answered the People and Landscapes question (q11), as my prescribed text was Alain de Botton' 'The Art of Travel'.
However, when filling out the question number in the writing booklets, I wrote that I had completed q10, rather than the actual question I did, q11.

Is this a major problem or will they realise my mistake?
I'm absolutely freaking out!!!

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Re: Paper 2 Exam Discussion (Advanced)
« Reply #64 on: October 15, 2016, 12:35:19 am »

Please help!
In Module C, I answered the People and Landscapes question (q11), as my prescribed text was Alain de Botton' 'The Art of Travel'.
However, when filling out the question number in the writing booklets, I wrote that I had completed q10, rather than the actual question I did, q11.

Is this a major problem or will they realise my mistake?
I'm absolutely freaking out!!!

Hey! Don't stress, they'll open the paper, be like "WTF" for 2 seconds, then fix it up for you. Don't worry, every year people mix up the numbering, they fix you up! They'd never just give you zero, that would be completely unfair ;D

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Re: Paper 2 Exam Discussion (Advanced)
« Reply #65 on: October 15, 2016, 01:00:58 am »
Excuse me if I am wrong, but is this not the very thing BOSTES is trying to steer away from?? BOSTES realises the little skill in regurtitating an essay made up and perfected months in advance. This is not what English is about. BOSTES aim to make English as a HSC exam a more "think on your feet" experience rather than simply writing 3 responses committed to memory.

My view anyway, and that is what the grape vine and various 'in the loop' teachers have said as well. Expect only more of this to come in 2017. Luckily, this was a testing year, so we could still memorise sections. Don't expect to be as lucky next year.
Thats fine if they don't want students to memorise essays (even though thats not what I did for that module). Are they going to expect less of a word count then? Because if they want people to actually work around the question rather than constantly writing (regurgitating often, information not built around the particular question itself), their should be changes to the exam in other parts as well. Whether thats in the way its marked or the actual length of the exam.

Imo its unreasonable to expect most people to be able to write 3 essays containing 1000, maybe more words in the limited amount of time given. The current form of the paper and just the way the subject of English is assessed in general simply encourages rote learning and memorisation. Not much different from the other subjects taught and tested either actually.

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Re: Paper 2 Exam Discussion (Advanced)
« Reply #66 on: October 15, 2016, 02:53:38 am »
Thats fine if they don't want students to memorise essays (even though thats not what I did for that module). Are they going to expect less of a word count then? Because if they want people to actually work around the question rather than constantly writing (regurgitating often, information not built around the particular question itself), their should be changes to the exam in other parts as well. Whether thats in the way its marked or the actual length of the exam.

Imo its unreasonable to expect most people to be able to write 3 essays containing 1000, maybe more words in the limited amount of time given. The current form of the paper and just the way the subject of English is assessed in general simply encourages rote learning and memorisation. Not much different from the other subjects taught and tested either actually.

Just to mythbust a little; BOSTES doesn't expect you to write 1000 words. Like, they don't expect anything in terms of length. They expect you to answer the question effectively, that's it. Now the way you do that is up to you; it can be done in 650 words if the writing is absolutely insanely wonderful. Most students would need more, probably around the 800-850 mark, to answer it properly. As you go up in word count, you are putting more into your answer and thus increasing the power of your answer. Some people do need 1000+ to answer the question well, and that is cool, but BOSTES doesn't require/expect it. Mainly want to put this out there because anyone out there who wrote <1000, no biggie ;D

Now that's no comment on my views on the setup of Paper 2; I'd still personally think it would work better as an exam setup closer to that of EX1 (two pieces in two hours, but slightly more expected). I'm no English expert though, I'm sure they have their reasons ;)

So I guess what I'm saying is (and none of this is targeted directly at responding to you either daatarz btw, just got myself into a flow aha), students already have everything they need to be able to answer this stuff. They have the time to deliver the answer if they have the knowledge. So under the current system, a change in expectation is probably a tad unlikely, and personally, I'd argue unnecessary. It will be interesting to see how the Band cut-offs for English go this year though, and that could influence their choices next year :)

However what that leads into is this; the exams are changing in a few years.

The syllabus draft shows a few key changes, two of which are:

- Creative writing will be assessed as a separate module, but may or may not be assessed in the HSC (I believe that remains undecided). The alternative would be through internal assessment only, and this would bring Paper 2 down to 2 essays/pieces, not 3.
- No related texts

I'd love to see them make Paper 2 a 2 hour exam with two essays, both with question styles that reduce the effectiveness of regurgitation. The lack of Creative in the HSC is definitely intriguing ;D

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Re: Paper 2 Exam Discussion (Advanced)
« Reply #67 on: October 15, 2016, 01:28:16 pm »
Mod A - wasn't too bad, don't think I really talked about the two extracts they provided with enough detail though

Mod B - ughhhhhh my weakest module and they prescribed and now I 100% regret using Brooks as my other speech instead of Atwood because my second paragraph on that just died and most likely dragged my mark down

Mod C - great question, finished faster than the other two modules

Just glad it's over but really hoping for a Band 6  :-X
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Re: Paper 2 Exam Discussion (Advanced)
« Reply #68 on: October 15, 2016, 07:27:54 pm »
Btw what's a band six?? Is it before scaling or after?? Is it impossible to get a band six if you didnt address the question super well :(

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Re: Paper 2 Exam Discussion (Advanced)
« Reply #69 on: October 15, 2016, 07:34:08 pm »
Btw what's a band six?? Is it before scaling or after?? Is it impossible to get a band six if you didnt address the question super well :(
HSC marks are determined after alignment. Scaling is what UAC does to ultimately generate an ATAR.

That being said, a mark of 90+ after alignment is what qualifies for a band 6. For a set of raw marks that have achieved it historically, refer to the raw marks database.

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Re: Paper 2 Exam Discussion (Advanced)
« Reply #70 on: October 15, 2016, 07:53:18 pm »
HSC marks are determined after alignment. Scaling is what UAC does to ultimately generate an ATAR.

That being said, a mark of 90+ after alignment is what qualifies for a band 6. For a set of raw marks that have achieved it historically, refer to the raw marks database.

Wow thanks heaps! Whats the difference between weighted and aligned??

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Re: Paper 2 Exam Discussion (Advanced)
« Reply #71 on: October 16, 2016, 10:21:17 am »
Wow thanks heaps! Whats the difference between weighted and aligned??

Weighted takes the question values into account (EG - Making it so your Paper 1 mark is out of 40, not 45) and optional question scaling (EG - a hard option gets a slight mark boost). Alignment is then taking those marks and shifting them to match Band Cut-Offs. For example, by using that database, I can say that the Band 6 cut-off for English Advanced in 2015 was a weighted mark of 80/100. So, anyone who achieved that got an aligned mark of 90/100, and so 90 appeared on their HSC ;D

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Re: Paper 2 Exam Discussion (Advanced)
« Reply #72 on: October 16, 2016, 10:30:16 am »
Did anyone else do Mrs Dalloway/The Hours for Mod A? Because NO ONE in my grade got the right point of view/character for the quote! Even my teacher who's one of the head markers for extension english thought it was the title character! I feel like we're all going to be marked down now :(

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Re: Paper 2 Exam Discussion (Advanced)
« Reply #73 on: October 16, 2016, 12:19:22 pm »
Did anyone else do Mrs Dalloway/The Hours for Mod A? Because NO ONE in my grade got the right point of view/character for the quote! Even my teacher who's one of the head markers for extension english thought it was the title character! I feel like we're all going to be marked down now :(

I can't comment on the quote/text, but remember that if one particular option/text/question gets lower average results than others for that Module, they scale it up to match. So if your question was particularly tricky, you'll be compensated for that! :)