HSC Equivalent of VCE Subjects

[owidjaja]

Hey guys, (not sure if this is the correct place to ask my question)
I picked up a Monash University Undergrad guide from Career Expo and I forgot to ask the Student Ambassador the HSC equivalent of these VCE subjects (that also happen to be prerequisites). Can anyone here name the HSC equivalent of these VCE subjects:

English: Units 3 and 4 (study score of at least 30 in English EAL or 25 in English other than EAL)
Maths: Units 3 and 4 (study score of at least 25 in Mathematical Methods (any) or Specialist Mathematics)

Plus, what exactly does 'units 3 and 4' mean in the context of chemistry and physics?

Thanks in advance

[S200]

Hey guys, (not sure if this is the correct place to ask my question)
I picked up a Monash University Undergrad guide from Career Expo and I forgot to ask the Student Ambassador the HSC equivalent of these VCE subjects (that also happen to be prerequisites). Can anyone here name the HSC equivalent of these VCE subjects:

English: Units 3 and 4 (study score of at least 30 in English EAL or 25 in English other than EAL)
Maths: Units 3 and 4 (study score of at least 25 in Mathematical Methods (any) or Specialist Mathematics)

Plus, what exactly does 'units 3 and 4' mean in the context of chemistry and physics?

Thanks in advance

I think that they would translate roughly into a band 3 in English, a Band 3 in Maths Ext 1 or Ext 2.

Unit 3/4 is just the Units that are normally completed in year 12.

Most people do, say, Physics 1/2 in Year 11 and Physics 3/4 in Year 12.

Units 3 and 4 are the respective equivalent of the HSC level subjects.

[sweetiepi]

Hey guys, (not sure if this is the correct place to ask my question)
I picked up a Monash University Undergrad guide from Career Expo and I forgot to ask the Student Ambassador the HSC equivalent of these VCE subjects (that also happen to be prerequisites). Can anyone here name the HSC equivalent of these VCE subjects:

English: Units 3 and 4 (study score of at least 30 in English EAL or 25 in English other than EAL)
Maths: Units 3 and 4 (study score of at least 25 in Mathematical Methods (any) or Specialist Mathematics)

Plus, what exactly does 'units 3 and 4' mean in the context of chemistry and physics?

Thanks in advance

For Maths- Methods is equal to 2U, and Specialist is equivalent to 3U (We don't have an VCE equivalent of 4U unless you count uni extension maths haha )
For English- I believe that's just equivalent to English Std or Adv
Units 3 and 4 are just the terms VCAA (the governing VCE body- similar to NESA I think) use to represent semester 1 and 2 of a school year for year 12, similar to units 1 and 2 are just semester names for year 11 here in Vic, so U3/4 VCE Chem and Physics would just be equivalent to your HSC Chem and Physics

+S200 beat me to explaining the study scores

[Joseph41]

Just on this, would people be interested in learning more about other states' systems?

So like, Victorians could learn about how the NSW subjects work and stuff, and vice versa. This forum has so much collective knowledge - it seems a shame for things to be isolated by state. And each state has some interesting things. For example, NSW doesn't have Psychology as a subject, but has way more enrolments for History subjects.

Could be interesting?

[fantasticbeasts3]

Just on this, would people be interested in learning more about other states' systems?

So like, Victorians could learn about how the NSW subjects work and stuff, and vice versa. This forum has so much collective knowledge - it seems a shame for things to be isolated by state. And each state has some interesting things. For example, NSW doesn't have Psychology as a subject, but has way more enrolments for History subjects.

Could be interesting?

I’d be down! Sometimes the Victorian system is confusing – would love to learn more :-)

[technodisney]

Just on this, would people be interested in learning more about other states' systems?

So like, Victorians could learn about how the NSW subjects work and stuff, and vice versa. This forum has so much collective knowledge - it seems a shame for things to be isolated by state. And each state has some interesting things. For example, NSW doesn't have Psychology as a subject, but has way more enrolments for History subjects.

Could be interesting?

I have actually just assumed the other states have a very similar system. Now that I know that they do vary quite a bit I am Intrigued to learn more.

[RuiAce]

I have actually just assumed the other states have a very similar system. Now that I know that they do vary quite a bit I am Intrigued to learn more.

The curriculum is set to mostly be the same. However, the actual way it gets run is VERY different, especially in the final 2 years of high school.

I think it was still fairly recent when education got moved from each states' individual responsibility to being a Federal one?

[Opengangs]

Queensland's system is very interesting -- I had a friend who studied in Queensland and got an OP of 3 which is equivalent to a ~95 ATAR but for those interested, here's the general overview on how they calculate the OP.

[RuiAce]

Queensland's system is very interesting -- I had a friend who studied in Queensland and got an OP of 3 which is equivalent to a ~95 ATAR but for those interested, here's the general overview on how they calculate the OP.

I forgot. Does Lauren approve of the Qld system again?

[literally lauren]

I forgot. Does Lauren approve of the Qld system again?

Me = puppy
Stairs = the Qld curriculum

[RuiAce]

Me = puppy
Stairs = the Qld curriculum

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In that case we do not ever bring the Qld curriculum up on the forum ever again

[clovvy]

For Maths- Methods is equal to 2U, and Specialist is equivalent to 3U (We don't have an VCE equivalent of 4U unless you count uni extension maths haha )
For English- I believe that's just equivalent to English Std or Adv
Units 3 and 4 are just the terms VCAA (the governing VCE body- similar to NESA I think) use to represent semester 1 and 2 of a school year for year 12, similar to units 1 and 2 are just semester names for year 11 here in Vic, so U3/4 VCE Chem and Physics would just be equivalent to your HSC Chem and Physics

+S200 beat me to explaining the study scores

Specialist actually equals to both 3/4U in HSC level since in 3U you don't cover topics like complex numbers (besides specialist maths do get a reference sheet on things like complex numbers and further integrals if I could remember correctly, however us doing 4U/Ext 2 do not have that luxury so it may potentially be harder for us doing the highest HSC maths lvl

[RuiAce]

Specialist actually equals to both 3/4U in HSC level since in 3U you don't cover topics like complex numbers (besides specialist maths do get a reference sheet on things like complex numbers and further integrals if I could remember correctly, however us doing 4U/Ext 2 do not have that luxury so it may potentially be harder for us doing the highest HSC maths lvl

Just because the topics (i.e. the content) look like they're in 4U, doesn't mean the difficulty is. Complex numbers and mechanics are the only 4U things I know of that are in spesh, and to varying extents I feel like the complex numbers they do is easier.

Content doesn't equate to much. It's the difficulty that does. Just like how VCE have the better sciences with reasonable difficulty, HSC have the better maths.

[clovvy]

Just because the topics (i.e. the content) look like they're in 4U, doesn't mean the difficulty is. Complex numbers and mechanics are the only 4U things I know of that are in spesh, and to varying extents I feel like the complex numbers they do is easier.

Content doesn't equate to much. It's the difficulty that does. Just like how VCE have the better sciences with reasonable difficulty, HSC have the better maths.

Yeah I agree, I really disliked the way the science syllabus is structured for the HSC (the one I am doing right now).... I kinda wish I did the new syllabus since it is so much better and far more interesting

[S200]

Question. How does VCE Physics compare with HSC Physics?

Remember you will get a formula sheet you can substitute into on the day, so no need to memorise anything!

Are you allowed to take in your own summary sheet on top of this?
Are you allowed as many pages as we are?