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Victorian Election
« on: November 02, 2018, 09:37:37 am »
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Victorian election is coming up on November 24th and the polls are reasonably tight.


So far in the campaign we've seen a pretty strong focus on public transport, with both parties trying to woo with big projects in this space. We've also seen crime bob up as an issue, but perhaps not to the point we've expected. The LNP was expected to run hard on that, but no doubt the allegations in the media regarding Matthew Guy's interactions with mafiosos will not have helped.


This thread will be for discussion of news regarding the election and debate.

Who will you be voting for and why? :)
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Re: Victorian Election
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2018, 09:56:00 pm »
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Don't know who I'm going to vote for yet (no one has me completely sold yet) but just wanted to drop this PSA for other first time voters out there - never knew how it worked and thought it'd be worth sharing. :)


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Re: Victorian Election
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2018, 10:00:17 pm »
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Also a good time to remind everyone that early voting started today, have a look at the VEC website to find out where to vote if you want to vote early: https://www.vec.vic.gov.au/
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Re: Victorian Election
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2018, 10:01:18 pm »
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Think Labor will comfortably win again (only threat to that really is the loss of any further labor seats - could send them into minority next term).

I'm torn because the schools i've worked at are marginal Liberal seats and they haven't been in the best condition for some time - get promised loads of funds then the other side wins......... repeat.

I can't deny Andrews has done some pretty good work for our state - level crossing removals, not to mention the amount of new schools that have been built and opened in the last term. As you can probably tell, Education is my primary area i'm using to vote...

Everytime I consider voting Liberal I just look at Matthew Guy's face, remember the botched EW link business case and how rushed it was, and i'm just like.... you haven't done/said anything significant to win me over. I also strongly support Andrews' suburban loop (whatever they're calling it), there are some areas in metro that still haven't got decent PT. Given the metro hubs are going to fill up even more + quicker than regional centres, I think PT in the metro area is a significant priority that can't be delayed.
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Re: Victorian Election
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2018, 10:13:43 pm »
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Think Labor will comfortably win again (only threat to that really is the loss of any further labor seats - could send them into minority next term).

I'm torn because the schools i've worked at are marginal Liberal seats and they haven't been in the best condition for some time - get promised loads of funds then the other side wins......... repeat.

I can't deny Andrews has done some pretty good work for our state - level crossing removals, not to mention the amount of new schools that have been built and opened in the last term. As you can probably tell, Education is my primary area i'm using to vote...

Everytime I consider voting Liberal I just look at Matthew Guy's face, remember the botched EW link business case and how rushed it was, and i'm just like.... you haven't done/said anything significant to win me over. I also strongly support Andrews' suburban loop (whatever they're calling it), there are some areas in metro that still haven't got decent PT. Given the metro hubs are going to fill up even more + quicker than regional centres, I think PT in the metro area is a significant priority that can't be delayed.

How do you (and others) feel about the Greens?
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Re: Victorian Election
« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2018, 10:19:39 pm »
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How do you (and others) feel about the Greens?

Not fussed really. I actually did a poll and it said my views align with the Greens the most, but realistically there's only two major parties in play here. Controlling the crossbench is a different story and I really hope there's a balance there of independents/greens etc. to hold whoever governs to account. If you vote green and your candidate wins, what do you get out of it? They aren't affiliated with one of the big two, so their opinions have less weighting... that's the way I see it anyway.

E.g. if a Labor MP wanted funding for their school and Labor was in power, you'd think that Labor would get it done. Liberals certainly wouldn't get it unless the school was crumbling beyond repair and the Greens.. perhaps it would get done if they sold themselves out on another issue they agreed to pass. Just a general issue I have noticed particularly during the campaign: It bloody frustrates me that funding for things / promises being made are primarily in marginal seats. I get the idea of why it occurs (to obviously win/snatch it from the other party) but ffs, those in safe seats miss out bigtime.
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Re: Victorian Election
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2018, 11:01:37 pm »
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How do you (and others) feel about the Greens?

I like them, but to me voting them is more to say "hey Labor, the Greens are getting more of the primary vote - maybe look at their policies?" than out of expectation that the seat will be won (in my electorate at least).

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Re: Victorian Election
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2018, 11:28:28 pm »
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How do you (and others) feel about the Greens?
I live in the inner city - Labor's always held it, but it's marginal enough that we get an article now.

My brain is pretty jumbled atm, so sorry if this is fairly incoherent. Some of these things are federal issues, or from different states, but imo it's fairly irrelevant. Presumably a party should have fairly consistent policies regardless.
-Labor wants to open new coal mines
-Labor wants to sell public housing land to private developers, which will result in an increase in available public housing, but it will be a small increase and no where near enough.
-I support heaps of the greens policies in regard to pill testing/legalising drugs/getting rid of pokies/political donation law reform/etc.
-Renewable energy is a big thing. Labor is far better than liberal on this, but still no where near good enough.
-Kids in detention. Nothing makes that acceptable.
-Greens are the only ones who support the Great Forest National Park and oppose Adani.
-Both labor and liberal want to improve roads. We're going to hit a point where the roads can't be 'improved' any further. Money has to be invested into public transport and cycling/walking.

imo labor is moving way too slow. Sure they've supported some good things (e.g. safe injecting rooms, marriage equality, level crossings, etc.) but they're doing it too slowly. They're not radical enough.

Also what mt said, even if a few greens being elected doesn't really influence decisions, it's still a pretty powerful way of showing what people support.
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Re: Victorian Election
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2018, 11:48:23 pm »
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Originally coming from rural Victoria in a safe Nationals seat, I'm just excited that I now live in a marginal seat lol.

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Re: Victorian Election
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2018, 01:03:12 am »
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I’ll be back in Melbourne just in time to vote. Definitely going Greens although my electorate is a very safe Liberal seat. Honestly the whole Adani situation has made my blood boil and I just want as much investment in renewables as possible.
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Re: Victorian Election
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2018, 06:49:28 am »
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All of your thoughts on the Greens are interesting, though pretty consistent with how most people our age seem to view.

If there is no 2PP swing to either Liberal or Labor (i.e. neither outperforms the other), I wouldn’t be surprised if the Greens actually manage the balance of power. With Jane Garrett gone in Brunswick, it is very possible that it could go to the Greens for the first time. Likewise Richmond could also fall to the Greens. Should expect them to hold on to Northcote (which they recently won at a by-election), Melbourne and Prahran (this almost certainly won’t go back to the liberals since they’ve moved ever further right).

A lot of what the Greens campaign on is inherently misleading. Nearly all of the issues you’ve cited @PF are federal issues, which state Labor or indeed the Greens can do nothing about. Adani, for example, is in Queensland. The policy of the Victorian labor party is not to build new coal mines nor indeed coal or gas fired power plants; they’re also paying families to install solar panels. Likewise, children in detention is a federal issue and something against which Dan Andrews’ Labor left faction is actually opposed.

The Greens have been pretty effective at campaigning away on federal issues, which is a pity because the Labor party in Victoria is delivering a lot of the things Greens voters care about. Legalisation of euthanasia and medical marijuana, the safe injecting facility in Richmond, the single largest investment in public transport in Australian history in the 50 billion dollar rail loop, not to mention the metro tunnel and the level crossing removals, the introduction of the safe schools programme, making TAFE courses free, the reintroduction of tech schools, the first explicit campaign by a government in support of public schools in decades, raising standards for teaching courses in Victoria (now need at least a 70 ATAR), record investment in hospitals.

The reality is that we’ve already got a very progressive left wing government in Victoria. Having the Greens in the balance of power will only force them to find things to wedge the government on from the truly crazy left of policy ideas, tbh.





Obviously implicit in all of that is a fairly firm distaste of the Greens on my part. I really dislike that their policy output is really ill thought out and that they often will put ideological purity ahead of practical outcomes. Take two examples of this: the Greens held the balance of power in the senate during the first Rudd government and used their balance of power to vote against the emissions trading scheme, because they wanted something that was more stringent. At that point we were poised to be the major economy in the world with the most ambitious climate change policy, one that would almost certainly still be in place (unlike the carbon tax it had widespread support in the community), and would have served as a template for other countries to follow, but the Greens killed it because their political existence relies on them outdoing labor on climate change and they didn’t want the issue to go away by legislating, which frankly is morally vacuous.
Other example is refugee policy. Effectively the Greens policy is to take anyone who arrives by boat and massively increase the quota. No real practical concerns with the latter, but the former provides some issues. The reality of accepting boat arrivals is that it encourages more people to get on boats in the first place. As distasteful as the debate has become, the available evidence makes that conclusion unavoidable. The problem in this is, therefore, that more people get on boats to come to Australia and, consequently, more people die trying to come here. Sadly it’s not just fear-mongering on behalf of the liberals, literally 1000s of people died last time we had an influx of boats.
I’m not seriously suggesting that the current policy is acceptable—it’s not. It borders on a crime against humanity what we’re doing at the moment. But the Greens policy of accepting everyone is one that, whilst warm and fuzzy, is also one that would lead to the deaths of 1000s of vulnerable people. Again, the Greens would be aware of the evidence, but they choose to ignore it in advancing a policy position that is most palatable to their members and yet would so clearly lead to the deaths of refugees. In truth I think that’s just as bad if not worse than what’s currrently happening.
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Re: Victorian Election
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2018, 10:54:03 am »
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I'm really not sure who I'm gonna vote for. My views seem to align the most with the Greens but I'm pretty supportive of most things the Labor government has achieved and is planning to do.

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Re: Victorian Election
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2018, 12:00:06 pm »
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As much as Matthew Guy is a bit of a dill. I will always back the libs and conservative/right-wing politics.

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Re: Victorian Election
« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2018, 01:15:28 pm »
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As much as Matthew Guy is a bit of a dill. I will always back the libs and conservative/right-wing politics.

Why do you think Guy is a dill? And what's behind your enthusiasm for the right? :)
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Re: Victorian Election
« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2018, 01:33:10 pm »
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As much as I don't side with labor. Dan Andrews does get things done and listens to the people. I'll give him that.

Why the right you ask? There values and beliefs embody my moral compass.