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VCE Summer School Questions
« on: November 08, 2018, 10:38:26 pm »
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Hi all,

As I am currently considering attending the VCE summer school run by UoM, I have a few questions that I would like to clear up. Of course, I am also seeking to assess whether it is worth it as the cost is quite high! Therefore, I would like to get more of a feel for whether this program is for me.   :)

1. How long does this program run for? It does say two weeks, yet there is a 5 day residential program and a day program. Would this mean that I would only be going for one day should I sign up to the program? This seems quite a short time for whatever activities that they will be running there!

2. Is there going to be time for me to get individualised help for specific topics or is there more of a structured class setting? I do know that the classes are pretty small, so I am just interested in knowing whether individuals can receive personalised help.

3. Apart from the booklets, will I be able to receive any additional sources for me to access during the year? On the same note, is there a limit to how many subjects one can participate in?

4. How are classes run? Similar to 2, but more just whether we will be learning content or skills that we can apply. What are the other activities like (the ones where we are not in classes)?

5. Lastly, if you have been involved in the program, or have insights to offer, could you please offer them as well?

Thank you.
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Re: VCE Summer School Questions
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2018, 11:18:32 pm »
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Hi all,

As I am currently considering attending the VCE summer school run by UoM, I have a few questions that I would like to clear up. Of course, I am also seeking to assess whether it is worth it as the cost is quite high! Therefore, I would like to get more of a feel for whether this program is for me.   :)

1. How long does this program run for? It does say two weeks, yet there is a 5 day residential program and a day program. Would this mean that I would only be going for one day should I sign up to the program? This seems quite a short time for whatever activities that they will be running there!

2. Is there going to be time for me to get individualised help for specific topics or is there more of a structured class setting? I do know that the classes are pretty small, so I am just interested in knowing whether individuals can receive personalised help.

3. Apart from the booklets, will I be able to receive any additional sources for me to access during the year? On the same note, is there a limit to how many subjects one can participate in?

4. How are classes run? Similar to 2, but more just whether we will be learning content or skills that we can apply. What are the other activities like (the ones where we are not in classes)?

5. Lastly, if you have been involved in the program, or have insights to offer, could you please offer them as well?

Thank you.

Hey hey I've been a tutor with VCESS for five years, so I'll give your questions a crack! Of course, I am not one of the directors and therefore not an authority on all things VCESS. Would recommend perusing their website: https://umsu.unimelb.edu.au/getinvolved/summerschool/ where you will also find details to contact the directors who will be super happy to answer any of your questions that we can't ask here!!

1. The programme runs for two weeks, irrespective of whether you are a residential or day programme student. The resi students just stay over night, whilst the day students come during the day. This is the most important thing I'll write so I'm going to bold it: if you're not going to go to VCESS because it costs too much, contact the directors and they will sort something out for you The whole point of VCESS is that it is for students from disadvantaged backgrounds, so the cost of the programme should NOT by a barrier to attendance. The programme receives generous donations every year so that the programme can be subsidised or made free for some students, so if you think you need that support, don't you dare not go because of it...get in touch with the directors at the above link!!!

2. The simple answer is yes! You will have spares, and during each spare there will be opportunities to see tutors for extra help outside of class. There are also a couple of sessions each week of protected time to sit down with tutors one on one.
How class work depends on your teacher. Some tutors will be really structured, a bit of chalk and talk, others will do lots of crazy fun activities. Others will try to sit down with their students one on one as they work. You're right in that the small class size makes it a lot easier to get to know your tutor...it's amazing how much you get to know your classes in that time.

3. There are opportunities to come back to UniMelb during the year for pre-exam revision and revision sessions throughout the year. Some students keep in touch with their tutors as well, and might occasionally ask them questions. You can participate in six subjects in total.

4. As above, the style of classroom teaching depends on the individual tutor. I'm the leader of the team responsible for training the tutors, and we try to push the tutors quite hard to focus on skill development. We want our students leaving VCESS with the confidence and the skillset to take them throughout the entire year. If we just smash content, what you'll end up with is two weeks of content. If we focus on skills, those skills will help you for the entire year... we want to set you up so you know what you're doing for year 12, which will really make a difference!! This is not to say that all of your teachers will take this approach, nor that VCESS will be a content free zone. The maths classes in particular manage to cover a lot of concepts well in a short space of time.

The other activities outside of class are fantastic! The change a little bit each year and there's always an element of surprise about them, but basically there is a social programme. In the past this has involved carnivals, beach days, amazing races etc. The purpose of these is to have you bond with the other students at VCESS (personally I think this is the most important thing about VCESS...getting to know other students in similar circumstances to you who are really driven, super smart and gonna be your friend for years to come is really motivating in year 12.... one of my own private tutoring students didn't VCESS a few years ago and she still sees her VCESS friends and I know they helped her a lot in year 12!!).
There are also workshops. These are classes that help you learn other skills (if you want) or where you can just do some fun stuff. There's everything from origami, to public speaking, to dodgeball and heaps more. I think there was even a pokemon workshop in the past.
Lastly there are seminars. These cover a lot of different topics. Some of them cover study skills, others have covered how to be healthy during year 12 and look after your mental health. THere are also career seminars, with one about medicine, others about arts, commerce etc etc. Shameless plug but I also run a seminar on research methods, which is super relevant to anyone studying science!

5. I didn't do VCESS as a student, which is a really big regret of mine. I know that it really would have changed how I approached year 12, and not to put too fine a point on it, probably changed my life. As a tutor, it's brilliant fun, as a student it's even better. Just.sign.up!!
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Re: VCE Summer School Questions
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2018, 10:19:30 am »
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5. Lastly, if you have been involved in the program, or have insights to offer, could you please offer them as well?

You get out what you put in.  If you just attend your classes and do "bare minimum" you won't get nearly as much out of it as someone who immerses themselves.  Arrange time to speak to tutors one-on-one (which is very easy to do), get involved in the activities, talk to people at lunch etc and you'll get much more out of it.  My other advice is to pick workshops for things you aren't so familiar with. So if you've done a bunch of leadership stuff - don't go to the leadership workshop,  pick a different one. 

I attended vox's research methods one  & would argue that it's also good for people not studying a science as it focused on scientific thinking rather than scientific content

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Re: VCE Summer School Questions
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2018, 10:24:19 am »
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How much does this program cost and can someone who has attended it before please share their experiences?

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Re: VCE Summer School Questions
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2018, 10:36:46 am »
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How much does this program cost and can someone who has attended it before please share their experiences?
https://umsu.unimelb.edu.au/getinvolved/summerschool/students/

This has a bunch of info including costs that you might want to read :)

Edit: I've dug up an old post of mine about VCESS there are a few of these (from different people) floating around the forums and I'm happy to answer specific questions
I attended VCESS which is run at unimelb and it was great. The tutors were all very enthusiastic and we went through topics from across the entire year. Given the limited time frame, not all of the content is covered but I felt a lot more prepared throughout this year, and like my learning was revision.
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Re: VCE Summer School Questions
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2018, 10:46:51 am »
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How much does this program cost and can someone who has attended it before please share their experiences?

A reminder again if you're worried about the cost being too much, don't write it off for that reason. Get in contact with the directors. They get money to support students in that situation exactly.

EDIT: wrote this without even considering the fact that miniturtle was already a VCESS student....exam period kills I swear

I hope there are some old VCESS students around here to add their experiences. If not, the VCESS facebook page has some cute videos with former students.
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Re: VCE Summer School Questions
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2018, 05:20:06 pm »
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I just have a few more questions if you don't mind.  :)

1. When do applications close? I am quite busy at the moment, and do not have the time to fill out the form, but I should be free in a couple days. Just want to know what I need to prioritise.

2. Are we required to bring our own food or is food provided to us? I am happy to bring my own, just want to know be prepared, in case VCESS does not cater to my personal requirements.

3. Is there a limit to how many students can attend?
Thank you. 

Edit: never mind, applications close december 7th. Sorry.
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Re: VCE Summer School Questions
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2018, 05:22:39 pm »
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I just have a few more questions if you don't mind.  :)

1. When do applications close? I am quite busy at the moment, and do not have the time to fill out the form, but I should be free in a couple days. Just want to know what I need to prioritise.

2. Are we required to bring our own food or is food provided to us? I am happy to bring my own, just want to know be prepared, in case VCESS does not cater to my personal requirements.

3. Is there a limit to how many students can attend?
Thank you. 

Edit: never mind, applications close december 7th. Sorry.

1. December the 7th as you've noted below :) No worries on missing it!!

2. Some days food is provided, usually in the form of a barbecue. Otherwise you'll need to bring your own food. There are some stores on campus as well that do pretty good food, although my favourite noodle joint has just closed.

3. Theoretically yes. The campus can only take so many people, but in previous year we have had nearly 600 students so I'm sure you'll be fine :)
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Re: VCE Summer School Questions
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2018, 06:01:53 pm »
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2. Are we required to bring our own food or is food provided to us? I am happy to bring my own, just want to know be prepared, in case VCESS does not cater to my personal requirements.

To add onto Vox's comments,  the barbeque days included (vegan) vegie burgers. I think there was also gluten free bread but don't quote me on that.  Uni events and campuses in general tend to be pretty good at providing options for dietary requirements from my experiences