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Re: Results Withheld
« Reply #60 on: January 24, 2008, 01:04:09 pm »
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Can you get the information from other sources? Like DoE?

If you are talking about the school level report, then you have to ask the individual school.

I am reminded of a quote by Dr. Ken Boston, one-time Director General of Education in NSW:

"there is a conspiracy of silence . . . and a determination to avoid making public any information which might indicate that one school is more effective than another" Boston, K. 1996, ‘For the record’, School Education News 1 May

If I am not mistaken, Ken Boston now works for the educational authorities in the UK. This is what the public can access in the UK: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6215682.stm

Though it is seems quite obvious, do expect poorly performing schools to be particularly hostile to the idea of making their performance data public accessible:
"I've been to schools that don't have the performance data on their website. Some principals in some schools don't want this information to be out there because their results aren't that great", says Jacinta Cashen, president of the Victorian Council of School Organisations. (Source: The Age)

Make no mistake, school adminstrators care first and foremost about themselves and keeping their own jobs and they are quite willing to keep vital information secret to cover their own ass. If publicly traded companies operated like some state schools, the adminstrators would all be prosecuted and jailed.

Often to support the idea that school performance data ought to be hidden they will make the highly arrogant argument that parents are too stupid to handle it:

Brian Burgess, president of the Victorian Association of State Secondary Principals says information in the School Level Report also has the potential to confuse parents. "It's superfluous for parents to look at because it's simply raw data. You would need to have a sophisticated understanding of what that data is telling you.

"The annual report does that by extracting the data and putting it in the school context to show what the school is doing well, what it's not doing well and what sorts of improvements the school needs to make." (Source: The Age)

However Burgess' highly arrogant argument is beside the point. It's not about whether parents can understand such information, it's about the public's right to know. If he was so worried that people might misunderstand the data, then the propoer recourse for him to argue, persuade people, to point out the limitations of such data - not to keep such information hidden and secret using the excuse that people are too stupid.
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Re: Results Withheld
« Reply #61 on: January 28, 2008, 12:46:56 am »
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I wonder if they give out an ENTER of 0.05...

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« Reply #62 on: January 28, 2008, 10:08:27 am »
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I don't even think a dumb person would get that. I think you would have to try to do as bad as you possibly could, and even then you would get 1.45.
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« Reply #63 on: January 28, 2008, 02:04:35 pm »
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well by definition someone has to come last

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« Reply #64 on: January 28, 2008, 05:04:57 pm »
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Poor person. I think I would kill myself if I got 0.05, and I'm scared of blood and needles so I'm not sure how I would achieve that. I also can't swallow pills.
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« Reply #65 on: January 28, 2008, 05:19:42 pm »
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Poor person. I think I would kill myself if I got 0.05, and I'm scared of blood and needles so I'm not sure how I would achieve that. I also can't swallow pills.
What happens if you knew that you were smart and had other just as worthy achievements? Would you kill yourself then? Although I guess caring could make you more inclined towards emoness...

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« Reply #66 on: January 28, 2008, 05:23:49 pm »
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Emoness. What an awesome word. :D :D :D

And the only worthwhile achievement that I recognize I have is my intelligence. Well.... my intelligence is the only thing I could make money out of (by getting a job to do with whatever I study at uni). How sad my life is.
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« Reply #67 on: January 28, 2008, 05:27:54 pm »
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Poor person. I think I would kill myself if I got 0.05, and I'm scared of blood and needles so I'm not sure how I would achieve that. I also can't swallow pills.

wow that's dramatic.
surely you have other things to live for

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« Reply #68 on: January 28, 2008, 06:05:13 pm »
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Poor person. I think I would kill myself if I got 0.05, and I'm scared of blood and needles so I'm not sure how I would achieve that. I also can't swallow pills.

Jump... you're not scared of heights :P (if that was a complete list)

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« Reply #69 on: January 28, 2008, 06:42:47 pm »
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Emoness. What an awesome word. :D :D :D

And the only worthwhile achievement that I recognize I have is my intelligence. Well.... my intelligence is the only thing I could make money out of (by getting a job to do with whatever I study at uni). How sad my life is.
Intelligence is very worthwhile :) but a crappy ENTER doesn't change it. Although I imagine that your ENTER will be WAY WAY WAY over that number :)
Just don't put too much pressure on your intellect! Try some crafts or poetry :D

Also, I hear rat poison is pretty effective (rat poison is people poison) :P

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« Reply #70 on: January 28, 2008, 06:48:14 pm »
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Because people can be rats?
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« Reply #71 on: January 28, 2008, 09:59:09 pm »
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I am a bit afraid of heights and I don't think the rat poison would go down well. Wouldn't you just chuck it up?

Can't write poetry for shit but I can draw (wooh! :) ), but I'm colour blind so I can never do anything in colour ( :( )
I don't actually think my life could go on if I did terribly in VCE because I would suck at any of the hands on stuff at TAFE (if I could get into TAFE). And I've got zero social skills so I would suck at being a check-out chick, surviving on the dole (and hiding my payments from my job from centerlink). Although check-out chicks aren't the best people persons.... MAybe I would survive.
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« Reply #72 on: January 28, 2008, 10:34:54 pm »
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I think coloured art by colour blind people would be really interesting! Trouble is, other people would be more interested than what you would be...

I thought the same thing as you last year, but now, with the value of hindsight, I probably wouldn't have offed myself if I got a crappy ENTER (or at least, I would have waited a bit). Not all TAFE courses are completely practical too. I know someone who got a 30something ENTER and got into 'Liberal Arts' at NMIT. Although this isn't something to worry about, your ENTER will be more than sufficient for uni admissions.

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« Reply #73 on: January 28, 2008, 10:59:23 pm »
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Tertiary study is not a requirement to a successful life. If you have some sort of talent, like cooking or pottery, then you might not even need to take a TAFE degree. I guess if you're really lost and you're looking for something to guide you, further education can help you, but people shouldn't be averse from avoiding tertiary education completely if something that is calling for them does not require it.

edit oops 'had' changed to 'have'
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« Reply #74 on: January 28, 2008, 11:19:57 pm »
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Tertiary study is not a requirement to a successful life. If you had some sort of talent, like cooking or pottery, then you might not even need to take a TAFE degree. I guess if you're really lost and you're looking for something to guide you, further education can help you, but people shouldn't be averse from avoiding tertiary education completely if something that is calling for them does not require it.

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