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I don't have the required prerequisites for the course I want.
« on: November 08, 2019, 10:57:33 pm »
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I'm currently in year 10 moving on to year 11 and I have some concerns about getting into the course I want. I was thinking about doing something medical-related however one of the courses I want to do require methods or specialist but I'm only doing further and I was wondering is there any way for me to bypass this requirement. I have another pressing concern which is the ATAR score required if I don't meet the minimum required ATAR am I still able to partake in the course through other means?

Subjects I have picked for 2020
-Engish Literature (1/2)
-Further Maths  (1/2)
-Biology (3/4)
-Chemistry (1/2)
-Physical Education (3/4)
-Health and Human Development (1/2)

The courses I was thinking of doing.
https://www.monash.edu/study/courses/find-a-course/2020/radiography-and-medical-imaging-m3006?domestic=true#recent-secondary-education
https://www.monash.edu/study/courses/find-a-course/2020/physiotherapy-m3002
https://www.monash.edu/study/courses/find-a-course/2020/biomedical-science-m2003?domestic=true

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Re: I don't have the required prerequisites for the course I want.
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2019, 11:00:14 pm »
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You cannot bypass prerequisites - they are there for a (and usually good) reason. You can "get around" it by completing a bridging course or the equivalent subject during the first sem of a course at the same uni... so still doing it, just in a different way.

In terms of avoiding it altogether, that's just not possible. The ATAR requirements are only indicative and can change each year so there is a chance you can get in even when below it depending on the course, how many people apply, how many offers are made first round, spaces left in the course etc.
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Re: I don't have the required prerequisites for the course I want.
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2019, 11:07:50 pm »
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You cannot bypass prerequisites - they are there for a (and usually good) reason. You can "get around" it by completing a bridging course or the equivalent subject during the first sem of a course at the same uni... so still doing it, just in a different way.

In terms of avoiding it altogether, that's just not possible. The ATAR requirements are only indicative and can change each year so there is a chance you can get in even when below it depending on the course, how many people apply, how many offers are made first round, spaces left in the course etc.

Thanks for answering my questions, that does help clear a lot of things up. I was wondering if you are able to go in more depth on the process of completing a bridging course/equivalent subject because for most of the courses I want to get into I need to do methods or specialist, however, I am only doing further and I was wondering what I should do or the which subjects I should pick up in uni that allow me to do said courses.

Thanks in advance!

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Re: I don't have the required prerequisites for the course I want.
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2019, 12:01:48 am »
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Seeing as next year hasn't started yet, why not change Further to Methods if you think you are capable and could handle the workload. Although, if you do decide to do this, I'd do this as soon as possible because of things like timetabling etc.

Sorry for no specifying this earlier, I did go for a subject change to see if I am able to do methods, they said I should be all set but it turned all the classes are full. ):

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Re: I don't have the required prerequisites for the course I want.
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2019, 12:46:02 am »
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Sorry for no specifying this earlier, I did go for a subject change to see if I am able to do methods, they said I should be all set but it turned all the classes are full. ):
Sucks to hear that. Is Distance Education an option? (I agree with Snow Leopard that, if you can take Methods, you'd be able to avoid this situation entirely.)

I'm currently in year 10 moving on to year 11 and I have some concerns about getting into the course I want. I was thinking about doing something medical-related however one of the courses I want to do require methods or specialist but I'm only doing further and I was wondering is there any way for me to bypass this requirement. I have another pressing concern which is the ATAR score required if I don't meet the minimum required ATAR am I still able to partake in the course through other means?
As Aaron has mentioned, prereqs can't be bypassed.

When you apply for uni, you'll start seeing the name "VTAC" appear a lot, if you're hoping to apply for Victorian unis/ institutes. VTAC are effecitvely the bridge between high school and uni, and the people who you'll be applying for uni/ higher education with. With them, you'll get 8 preferences as of current. If you miss the minimum ATAR and these courses your top 3 preferences, VTAC will automatically default to the 4th or lower preference. If you think you won't quite make the minimum ATAR, then usually you'd fill one of your lower preferences with courses you like*/ won't mind, you think you'll still have a shot to get into (ATAR-wise) and be able to use for transfer into your desired course(s) - these are usually courses that are as similar as possible to the desired course(s) either at the same institute (internal transfer) or a different institute (external transfer). For the courses above, I'd be thinking about other medical courses that don't require high ATARs, other allied health courses, a Bachelor of Science or a Bachelor of Biomed at another institute. These typically allow transfer if you do a maths subject equivalent to Methods at uni, recognised by Monash, and get competitive enough grades at uni. Note though that you need to check whether you can use [insert course you put as a preference] to transfer into the desired course(s) and whether you can take a Methods equivalent subject, typically by asking Monash (probably Monash Connect) and/or your eventual institute, if you're doing an external transfer.

Your options are:
1. Get in directly: Somehow do Methods. Make the raw SSs and ATAR. Get in straight after high school.
2. Internal transfer: You'd be taking another course at Monash and doing the maths subject equivalent to Methods to cover that prereq. Grades will matter, and possibly ATAR if you're hoping to transfer in the first year of uni.
3. External transfer: You'd be taking a similar/ the same course at a different institute and doing the maths subject equivalent to Methods to cover that prereq. Grades will matter, and possibly ATAR if you're hoping to transfer in the first year of uni.
4. Do a bridging course: These are courses that people mostly take if they miss out on a prereq and/or ATAR requirement, so it'd be people like yourself if you miss out on Methods. I don't know much about these, so you'd need to do your own research and contact people.
5. Take a postgrad version of your desired course: This is the more scenic route. You can do your research and find a postgrad course that you like e.g. Master of Physiotherapy, and take an accepted undergrad course. Basically, you'll do one degree straight out of high school and then one more at a higher level after, the latter being the one that you really wanted to do. This route is usually used to explore other areas of interest and/or gather more time/ wisdom/ experience before heading into the deep end. Do note that this will be more time consuming and expensive though - you pay for uni by the number of subjects you do.       

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Re: I don't have the required prerequisites for the course I want.
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2019, 09:55:05 am »
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If you take the internal transfer route, I suspect  - but cannot confirm - that MTH1020 would operate as a methods/spec equivalent at Monash. You would want to ask Monash directly about this so that they can clarify for you.

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Re: I don't have the required prerequisites for the course I want.
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2019, 12:01:49 pm »
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Sucks to hear that. Is Distance Education an option? (I agree with Snow Leopard that, if you can take Methods, you'd be able to avoid this situation entirely.)
 As Aaron has mentioned, prereqs can't be bypassed.

When you apply for uni, you'll start seeing the name "VTAC" appear a lot, if you're hoping to apply for Victorian unis/ institutes. VTAC are effecitvely the bridge between high school and uni, and the people who you'll be applying for uni/ higher education with. With them, you'll get 8 preferences as of current. If you miss the minimum ATAR and these courses your top 3 preferences, VTAC will automatically default to the 4th or lower preference. If you think you won't quite make the minimum ATAR, then usually you'd fill one of your lower preferences with courses you like*/ won't mind, you think you'll still have a shot to get into (ATAR-wise) and be able to use for transfer into your desired course(s) - these are usually courses that are as similar as possible to the desired course(s) either at the same institute (internal transfer) or a different institute (external transfer). For the courses above, I'd be thinking about other medical courses that don't require high ATARs, other allied health courses, a Bachelor of Science or a Bachelor of Biomed at another institute. These typically allow transfer if you do a maths subject equivalent to Methods at uni, recognised by Monash, and get competitive enough grades at uni. Note though that you need to check whether you can use [insert course you put as a preference] to transfer into the desired course(s) and whether you can take a Methods equivalent subject, typically by asking Monash (probably Monash Connect) and/or your eventual institute, if you're doing an external transfer.

Your options are:
1. Get in directly: Somehow do Methods. Make the raw SSs and ATAR. Get in straight after high school.
2. Internal transfer: You'd be taking another course at Monash and doing the maths subject equivalent to Methods to cover that prereq. Grades will matter, and possibly ATAR if you're hoping to transfer in the first year of uni.
3. External transfer: You'd be taking a similar/ the same course at a different institute and doing the maths subject equivalent to Methods to cover that prereq. Grades will matter, and possibly ATAR if you're hoping to transfer in the first year of uni.
4. Do a bridging course: These are courses that people mostly take if they miss out on a prereq and/or ATAR requirement, so it'd be people like yourself if you miss out on Methods. I don't know much about these, so you'd need to do your own research and contact people.
5. Take a postgrad version of your desired course: This is the more scenic route. You can do your research and find a postgrad course that you like e.g. Master of Physiotherapy, and take an accepted undergrad course. Basically, you'll do one degree straight out of high school and then one more at a higher level after, the latter being the one that you really wanted to do. This route is usually used to explore other areas of interest and/or gather more time/ wisdom/ experience before heading into the deep end. Do note that this will be more time consuming and expensive though - you pay for uni by the number of subjects you do.       

*Most emphasis should be on courses you would prefer.

If you take the internal transfer route, I suspect  - but cannot confirm - that MTH1020 would operate as a methods/spec equivalent at Monash. You would want to ask Monash directly about this so that they can clarify for you.


Thank you so much to everyone that helped answer my questions!!
I'll try my best and follow everyone's suggestion, this has really helped my understand my perdicament and the ways I should be going about it. Thank you to everyone who took their time to answer to my question with absoulute sincerity! (: