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Re: TT's Maths Thread
« Reply #60 on: November 14, 2009, 10:05:05 pm »
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Let be integers with z being the largest (but not strictly) of the 3, how many such tuples (x,y,z) are there which satisfy this condition?

Well if z = 1 then there's only 1 choice for x, notably x = 1 and similarly 1 choice for y, notably y = 1, giving 1^2 possibilities. If z = 2, then there are 2 choices for x and 2 choices for y, giving 2^2 possibilities. Continuing in this manner, in total there are such tuples.

But we can also count this another way by dividing this into cases.

x = y = z: C(n, 1) = n ways
x = y < z: We can pick any 2 integers from 1 to n and the larger we assign to z, the smaller we assign to x = y. C(n,2) possibilities here.
x < y = z or y < x = z: C(n, 2) ways each, similar reasoning to above
x < y < z or y < x < z: We can pick any 3 integers from 1 to n, and assign them to x, y, z based on their size. C(n, 3) possibilities each here.

Hence we've counted the same quantity in 2 ways, so
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« Reply #61 on: November 14, 2009, 10:06:12 pm »
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By popular request, I'll also show the induction proof (which assumes for some reason that you know the answer!)

Let be the statement that .

Base Case:

Consider .  , , hence is true.

Inductive Step:

Assume is true for some positive integer .  Therefore we know that:


Adding to each side of this expression, we find:



This is precisely the expression we were hoping to attain to show .  Hence .

Therefore by the principle of mathematical induction, is true for all positive integers .
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« Reply #62 on: November 14, 2009, 10:16:12 pm »
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Thanks so much! That really clears it all up.

Just started on induction and summations today, so I wasn't really sure how to approach these questions. That really helped!
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« Reply #63 on: November 14, 2009, 10:25:53 pm »
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lol i remember running into a method that's similair to ahmad's but more complicated when realising that a marble counting problem can be solved in two different ways. http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,13271.msg171784.html#msg171784
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« Reply #64 on: November 14, 2009, 11:59:09 pm »
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An exercise dcc gave me: Find a formula for

There are probs plenty of better methods but this is the one I've learnt so far...

First remember the result

Now to find we need to find some polynomial containing .

So let

Now let

Thus

Now

But











I can see using this method to find something like would be super tedious haha
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« Reply #65 on: November 15, 2009, 02:55:32 am »
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Alright another Q, I think the book *might* be wrong with this question...

The Zeta function is defined by the infinite series

When , this becomes the harmonic series and diverges. Show that converges for all

My working:

If we can show that for then converges then for will converge as well.

The general sum for is

So we need to prove that converges.

Now using telescoping we find (The proof is fairly easy)

However we need to find something similar to instead of since using comparison, if we compare to a larger converging series, that means is converging. This "larger series" we are looking for should be of the form with some limits or .

Now what are these limits? Using change of index we find that

This is where I think the first mistake is because book has . Where did come from? Mistake?

Now since

Taking the summation of both sides from 1 to n yields:



But this will leave the RHS undefined so WLOG we require:



Now we need to find a formula for the RHS.

We know that

And we also know







Which means it is converging.

However book's last line is

Where did the on the denominator come from?

Thanks.



Last few questions for the night.

1. Find a formula for the sum

2. Find the sum of

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« Reply #66 on: November 15, 2009, 10:25:27 am »
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2. Evaluate

Let

Hence

By our logarithm laws.

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« Reply #67 on: November 15, 2009, 03:02:05 pm »
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2. Evaluate

Let

Hence

By our logarithm laws.
Thanks dcc, so elegant!
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« Reply #68 on: November 15, 2009, 03:40:02 pm »
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1. Find a formula for the sum

I've tried telescoping this one a bit and I've got to:

Let

Thus we need to find some expression

Let





Which is close but there is a negative on the .

So why not try ? This leads to:

which is what we want.

Thus

And then... I'm stuck, how do you go about evaluating those 2 sums?

Basically I think if I can get the first sum then the second one will follow, since it is just , but how to get the first one lol

It looks awfully similar to Taylor's series for ...

But it is just an approximation for , so can I use it?
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« Reply #69 on: November 15, 2009, 03:53:09 pm »
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You did all the hard work, but got confused by some notation.

So you found that.  where the sum we're after is the sum of .

therefore:



edit: basically (another way to handle that negative you initially got :) )
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« Reply #70 on: November 15, 2009, 04:02:23 pm »
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You did all the hard work, but got confused by some notation.

So you found that.  where the sum we're after is the sum of .

therefore:



edit: basically (another way to handle that negative you initially got :) )
hahaha thanks I think I got it.

kk so let



Thus which is what we want!



So

I <3 telescoping
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« Reply #71 on: November 15, 2009, 04:17:52 pm »
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I just realised something else

Using Taylor's series:



Let

Thus

Which follows on from my previous working:

Since

and


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« Reply #72 on: November 15, 2009, 04:27:56 pm »
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as n approaches infinity ;) Which you found from formula in previous post
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« Reply #73 on: November 15, 2009, 05:11:01 pm »
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Thanks kamil :)

Another one: Find a formula for 

So we require

I tried telescoping this one:



since it looks very similar to but doesn't seem to work...

Any hints/help?
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« Reply #74 on: November 15, 2009, 05:19:05 pm »
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So you're better off splitting your sum into these to, since the way you have splitted up you may end up evaluating . (ie the difference between two sequences who both limit to infinity)
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